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From: Jamie Lokier <lk@tantalophile.demon.co.uk>
To: Kanoj Sarcar <kanoj@google.engr.sgi.com>
Cc: Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>,
	Ben LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, mingo@redhat.com, alan@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: x86 ptep_get_and_clear question
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:19:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010215201945.A2505@pcep-jamie.cern.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3A8C254F.17334682@colorfullife.com> <200102151905.LAA62688@google.engr.sgi.com>
In-Reply-To: <200102151905.LAA62688@google.engr.sgi.com>; from kanoj@google.engr.sgi.com on Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 11:05:00AM -0800

Kanoj Sarcar wrote:
> > Is the sequence
> > << lock;
> > read pte
> > pte |= dirty
> > write pte
> > >> end lock;
> > or
> > << lock;
> > read pte
> > if (!present(pte))
> > 	do_page_fault();
> > pte |= dirty
> > write pte.
> > >> end lock;
> 
> No, it is a little more complicated. You also have to include in the
> tlb state into this algorithm. Since that is what we are talking about.
> Specifically, what does the processor do when it has a tlb entry allowing
> RW, the processor has only done reads using the translation, and the 
> in-memory pte is clear?

Yes (no to the no): Manfred's pseudo-code is exactly the question you're
asking.  Because when the TLB entry is non-dirty and you do a write, we
_know_ the processor will do a locked memory cycle to update the dirty
bit.  A locked memory cycle implies read-modify-write, not "write TLB
entry + dirty" (which would be a plain write) or anything like that.

Given you know it's a locked cycle, the only sensible design from Intel
is going to be one of Manfred's scenarios.

An interesting thought experiment though is this:

<< lock;
read pte
pte |= dirty
write pte
>> end lock;
if (!present(pte))
	do_page_fault();

It would have a mighty odd effect wouldn't it?

-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2001-02-15 19:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20010215173547.A2079@pcep-jamie.cern.ch>
     [not found] ` <200102151723.JAA43255@google.engr.sgi.com>
2001-02-15 17:47   ` Jamie Lokier
2001-02-15 18:05     ` Kanoj Sarcar
2001-02-15 18:23     ` Kanoj Sarcar
2001-02-15 18:42       ` Jamie Lokier
2001-02-15 18:57         ` Kanoj Sarcar
2001-02-15 19:06           ` Ben LaHaise
2001-02-15 19:19             ` Kanoj Sarcar
2001-02-15 20:16               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-15 18:51       ` Manfred Spraul
2001-02-15 19:05         ` Kanoj Sarcar
2001-02-15 19:19           ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2001-02-15 20:31             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-15 21:26               ` Manfred Spraul
2001-02-15 21:29                 ` Manfred Spraul
2001-02-16  1:21                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-16 14:18                   ` Jamie Lokier
2001-02-16 14:59                     ` Manfred Spraul
2001-02-16 15:27                       ` Jamie Lokier
2001-02-16 15:54                         ` Manfred Spraul
2001-02-16 16:00                           ` Jamie Lokier
2001-02-16 16:23                             ` Manfred Spraul
2001-02-16 16:43                               ` Jamie Lokier
2001-02-16 17:12                                 ` Manfred Spraul
2001-02-16 17:20                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2001-02-16 17:36                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-16 18:49                                       ` Manfred Spraul
2001-02-16 19:00                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-16 19:02                                         ` Ben LaHaise
2001-02-16 19:32                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-16 19:42                                             ` Ben LaHaise
2001-02-16 17:37                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2001-02-16 18:04                                     ` Manfred Spraul
2001-02-16 18:09                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2001-02-16 18:36                                     ` Hugh Dickins
2001-02-16 17:29                                 ` Ben LaHaise
2001-02-16 17:38                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-16 17:44                                     ` Ben LaHaise
2001-02-16 17:59                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-15 23:57               ` Jamie Lokier
2001-02-16  0:55                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-15 19:07         ` Jamie Lokier

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