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From: David Weinehall <tao@acc.umu.se>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@cambridge.redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <andrewm@uow.edu.au>, Ben LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] i386 rw_semaphores fix
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:56:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010411025632.C21221@khan.acc.umu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010410220551.A24251@gruyere.muc.suse.de> <E14n6Be-0005Ir-00@the-village.bc.nu> <20010411020058.B28670@gruyere.muc.suse.de> <20010411021318.A21221@khan.acc.umu.se> <20010411022028.A28874@gruyere.muc.suse.de>
In-Reply-To: <20010411022028.A28874@gruyere.muc.suse.de>; from ak@suse.de on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 02:20:28AM +0200

On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 02:20:28AM +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 02:13:18AM +0200, David Weinehall wrote:
> > > 
> > > Yes, and with CMPXCHG handler in the kernel it wouldn't be needed 
> > > (the other 686 optimizations like memcpy also work on 386) 
> > 
> > But the code would be much slower, and it's on 386's and similarly
> > slow beasts you need every cycle you can get, NOT on a Pentium IV.
> 
> My reasoning is that who uses a 386 is not interested in speed, so a little
> bit more slowness is not that bad.

My reasoning is that the choice of computer is a direct function of
your financial situation. I can get hold of a lot of 386's/486's, but
however old a Pentium may be, people are still reluctant to give away
those. Doing the sometimes necessary updates on my 386:en is already
painfully slow, and I'd rather not take another performance hit.

> You realize that the alternative for distributions is to drop 386 support
> completely?

Yes, I realise that. But if _distribution X_ drops support for the 386,
there's always _distribution Y_ available with it still in, while if
we give the glibc-people the thumbs up saying "Ignore the 386 users from
now on", every distribution will get lousy performance on those machines.

> Most 386 i've seen used for linux do not run multi threaded applications
> anyways; they usually do things like ISDN routing. Also on early 386 with
> the kernel mode wp bug it's a security hazard to use clone().

Well, not all 386:en are early...


/David
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-04-11  0:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <3AD0FD0F.9B0C47FD@uow.edu.au>
2001-04-09  3:08 ` rw_semaphores Linus Torvalds
2001-04-09  4:18   ` rw_semaphores Linus Torvalds
2001-04-09 13:55     ` rw_semaphores Ben LaHaise
2001-04-10  2:41 ` rw_semaphores Tachino Nobuhiro
2001-04-10  5:43   ` rw_semaphores Linus Torvalds
2001-04-10  7:47     ` rw_semaphores David Howells
2001-04-10 18:02       ` [PATCH] i386 rw_semaphores fix David Howells
2001-04-10 19:42         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-04-10 19:56           ` x86 cpu configuration (was: Re: [PATCH] i386 rw_semaphores fix) Jeff Garzik
2001-04-10 21:58             ` Alan Cox
2001-04-10 20:05           ` [PATCH] i386 rw_semaphores fix Andi Kleen
2001-04-10 20:16             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-04-10 22:00             ` Alan Cox
2001-04-11  0:00               ` Andi Kleen
2001-04-11  0:13                 ` David Weinehall
2001-04-11  0:20                   ` Andi Kleen
2001-04-11  0:56                     ` David Weinehall [this message]
2001-04-11  1:04                       ` Andi Kleen
2001-04-11 12:32                     ` Alan Cox
2001-04-11  0:55                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-04-11  1:07                     ` Andi Kleen
2001-04-11  1:12                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-04-11  1:23                         ` Andi Kleen
2001-04-11 12:36                           ` Alan Cox
2001-04-11 18:05                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-04-11 12:28                 ` Alan Cox
2001-04-11 18:06                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-04-11 22:06                     ` Alan Cox
2001-04-11 22:42                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-04-11 22:55                         ` Alan Cox
2001-04-10 21:57           ` Alan Cox
2001-04-11  0:40             ` Tim Wright
2001-04-11  7:38           ` David Howells
2001-04-11 12:24             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2001-04-11 12:57           ` [PATCH] 2nd try: " David Howells
2001-04-11 16:37             ` [PATCH] 3rd " David Howells
2001-04-11 21:41               ` [PATCH] 4th " David Howells
2001-04-12 18:16                 ` Andrew Morton
2001-04-11 23:00               ` [PATCH] 3rd " Anton Blanchard
2001-04-12 15:06                 ` [PATCH] i386 rw_semaphores, general abstraction patch David Howells
2001-04-11 16:56         ` [PATCH] i386 rw_semaphores fix Andrew Morton
2001-04-11 17:36           ` David Howells
2001-04-11 18:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-04-11 21:27           ` David Howells
2001-04-16 14:39       ` rw_semaphores yodaiken
2001-04-16 14:56         ` rw_semaphores Alan Cox
2001-04-16 17:05         ` rw_semaphores Linus Torvalds
2001-04-16 17:34           ` rw_semaphores yodaiken
2001-04-16 17:26         ` rw_semaphores Andrew Morton
2001-04-10  6:33   ` rw_semaphores Tachino Nobuhiro

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