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From: Harald Welte <laforge@gnumonks.org>
To: "Manfred Bartz" <md-linux-kernel@logi.cc>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: IP Acounting Idea for 2.5
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:43:21 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010416224321.O16697@corellia.laforge.distro.conectiva> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0104152039130.1616-100000@asdf.capslock.lan> <01041708461209.00352@workshop> <20010416020732.30431.qmail@logi.cc>
In-Reply-To: <20010416020732.30431.qmail@logi.cc>; from md-linux-kernel@logi.cc on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 12:07:31PM +1000

On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 12:07:31PM +1000, Manfred Bartz wrote:
> 
> If there really is a performance issue with a few hundred rules, then
> it can be overcome by grouping rules in separate custom chains.  F.e.
> if you have 1024 rules create 32 custom chains with 32 rules each.
> Then have 32 rules in your main table which jump to the appropriate
> custom chain --> maximum rules traversed by each packet = 64.

still.. if you want to log multiple class B's it's a PITA, especially
if your ruleset changes and you have to atomically replace all chains
in one table to update the ruleset from userspace->kernel.

> There is another issue with logging in general:
> 
>                 *COUNTERS MUST NOT BE RESETABLE!!!*
> 
> Resetable counters guarantee that no two programs can co-exists if
> they happen to reset the same counters.

That sounds like crap (sorry). Counters are resettable, and will be.
If you run two applications resetting counters individually, you have
a problem with your applications.

> All logging counters should be implemented with 32bit or 64bit
> unsigned integers.  Any software using correct unsigned integer

they are uint32 right now.

> arithmetic can then simply subtract a previous value from the current
> value to get the difference.  This works reliably across counter
> wrap-arounds.  There is absolutely *no need for reset* !

so why are your applications resetting counters then? Nobody forces you
to reset them right now.

> Manfred Bartz
> ---------------------------------------------------------------

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-04-17  1:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-04-16 21:53 David Findlay
2001-04-16  0:21 ` Michael Clark
2001-04-16  0:40 ` Mike A. Harris
2001-04-16 22:46   ` David Findlay
2001-04-16  0:50     ` Mike A. Harris
2001-04-16  1:58       ` swds.mlowe
2001-04-16  1:24     ` Matti Aarnio
2001-04-16  2:07     ` Manfred Bartz
2001-04-16  9:43       ` Russell King
2001-04-16 22:24         ` Manfred Bartz
2001-04-17 10:29         ` Olaf Titz
2001-04-20 16:21           ` Counters [Re: IP Acounting Idea for 2.5] Harald Welte
2001-04-17  1:43       ` Harald Welte [this message]
2001-04-17  2:37         ` IP Acounting Idea for 2.5 Manfred Bartz
2001-04-17  6:56         ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-04-20 16:17           ` Harald Welte
2001-04-20 21:00             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-04-16 11:21     ` Andreas Ferber
2001-04-16  2:40 ` Dax Kelson
2001-04-17  1:39 ` Harald Welte
2001-04-16 22:35 Leif Sawyer
2001-04-16 23:42 ` Ian Stirling
2001-04-17  1:13 ` Manfred Bartz
2001-04-17 10:34 ` Olaf Titz
2001-04-16 23:52 Leif Sawyer
2001-04-17 12:28 Jesse Pollard
2001-04-17 16:57 Leif Sawyer
2001-04-17 18:31 Jesse Pollard
2001-04-17 19:09 Leif Sawyer
2001-04-17 19:37 ` Matti Aarnio
2001-04-18 13:49   ` Michael Clark
2001-04-17 22:32 ` Manfred Bartz
2001-04-17 21:25 Jesse Pollard
2001-04-17 21:48 Leif Sawyer
2001-04-17 22:58 ` Manfred Bartz
2001-04-17 23:13   ` Alan Cox
2001-04-17 23:35     ` Manfred Bartz
2001-04-18  0:02       ` Alan Cox
2001-04-20  2:51         ` Ton Hospel
2001-05-01 23:13           ` Mark van Walraven
2001-04-18  8:16     ` Kenneth Johansson
2001-04-18 14:45     ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-04-17 23:06 Leif Sawyer

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