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From: Michael Meissner <meissner@spectacle-pond.org>
To: John Kodis <kodis@mail630.gsfc.nasa.gov>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Not a typewriterg
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:33:45 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010514113345.B10909@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mharris@opensourceadvocate.org> <200105140103.f4E13U3r010249@sleipnir.valparaiso.cl> <20010514103148.B9532@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov>
In-Reply-To: <20010514103148.B9532@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov>; from kodis@mail630.gsfc.nasa.gov on Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:31:48AM -0400

On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:31:48AM -0400, John Kodis wrote:
> On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 09:03:30PM -0400, Horst von Brand wrote:
> 
> > The old C compiler/old Unix linker guaranteed 6 chars in an external symbol
> > name only, and C functions got an underscore prepended: _creat. I guess
> > this is the reason for this wart. As to why 6 chars only, I'd guess some
> > data structure in the linker was laid out that way. Machines had a few
> > dozen Kbs of RAM then, space was precious.
> 
> I recall that RSX-11 and a few other series of early DEC operating
> systems stored linker symbols in a "RAD50" encoding scheme which
> allowed 6 chararacters to be crammed into a 32-bit "long word".  I
> suspect that this is where the limitation originated.

More trivia.  Rad50 actually allows 5 characters per 32-bit word.  The 50 is
actually 050 in octal (ie, 40 decimal), and allows you to have all 26 english
letters, 10 digits, a null, and 3 characters.  At this stage, I don't remember
what the precise encoding is, or what the additional 3 characters were (I
suspect different systems used different characters).  One of the first systems
I worked on professionally (Data General RDOS) used RAD50 in their object file
format.

-- 
Michael Meissner, Red Hat, Inc.  (GCC group)
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-05-14 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-05-11 16:07 Not a typewriter Wayne.Brown
2001-05-11 17:03 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-05-11 21:43 ` Hacksaw
2001-05-13 23:39   ` Mike A. Harris
2001-05-12  4:18 ` John Alvord
2001-05-13 23:35 ` Mike A. Harris
2001-05-14  1:03   ` Horst von Brand
2001-05-14 14:31     ` John Kodis
2001-05-14 15:33       ` Michael Meissner [this message]
2001-05-14 15:25     ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-14 17:01       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 17:16         ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-14 17:29         ` Jesse Pollard
2001-05-14 18:04           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14  1:31   ` Jonathan Lundell

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