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From: Richard Gooch <rgooch@ras.ucalgary.ca>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: hpa@transmeta.com (H. Peter Anvin),
	jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com (Jeff Garzik),
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org (Linux Kernel Mailing List),
	torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds),
	viro@math.psu.edu
Subject: Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:32:13 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200105142332.f4ENWDO19375@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E14zOfH-0001LG-00@the-village.bc.nu>
In-Reply-To: <3B0038B3.EBB9747A@transmeta.com> <E14zOfH-0001LG-00@the-village.bc.nu>

Alan Cox writes:
> > > (c) does not require devfs.  most distros ship without it afaik, and
> > > switching to it is not an overnight process, and requires devfsd to be
> > > useful in the real world.
> > > 
> > 
> > It does, however, not manage permissions, nor does it provide for a sane
> > namespace (it exposes too many internal implementation details in the
> > interface -- in particular, the driver becomes part of the namespace, and
> > devices move around between drivers regularly.)
> 
> It is also very hard to tar that device file.
> 
> As to devfsd well Al Viro was reporting races in it long ago that I
> don't believe Richard has had time to fix nor has anyone else fixed.

Actually, it was devfs, not devfsd that Al was complaining about.
Fortunately these races are hard to trigger without deliberately
trying to trigger them, otherwise I'd be inundated with bug reports
:-/

> What is the state on devfs there ?

Getting very close now. This last weekend was my first time for ages
that I've had an uninterrupted weekend to hack on Linux and didn't
have other really urgent stuff to deal with.

				Regards,

					Richard....
Permanent: rgooch@atnf.csiro.au
Current:   rgooch@ras.ucalgary.ca

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-05-14 23:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 387+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-05-14 19:19 H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 19:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 19:57   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 20:04     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 20:09     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 20:24       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 20:27         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 22:21           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:43             ` Jan Niehusmann
2001-05-14 23:48               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 20:29         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-14 20:55           ` Neil Brown
2001-05-14 21:20             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 21:37               ` Neil Brown
2001-05-14 21:24             ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 21:33               ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15  6:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  8:57               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  9:08                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  9:26                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  9:49                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  9:51                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 10:12                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 10:36                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:16                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:55                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:10                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 15:29                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:21                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:25                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:29                           ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:32                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:44                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:18                                 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-15 18:36                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:42                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16  8:29                                 ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-16 17:16                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:46                               ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 21:50                                 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:04                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 18:58                               ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 19:17                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 19:23                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 19:43                                   ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 21:58                                     ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-16  8:51                                     ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-17 10:20                                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-18 17:32                                       ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-19 10:21                                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19  8:18                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 20:40                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 22:46                                   ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 20:03                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 20:06                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:28                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:20                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-15 21:28                                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:31                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:43                                         ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 21:49                                           ` James Simmons
2001-05-16  7:05                                           ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 22:07                                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16  7:11                                         ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16  7:43                                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16  9:45                                             ` Malcolm Beattie
2001-05-16  0:59                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16  1:34                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-16  1:51                                           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16 11:34                                         ` Erik Mouw
2001-05-17 17:07                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-05-17 19:30                                           ` Jeff Randall
2001-05-16  7:17                                       ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 20:14                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:30                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:41                                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:51                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16  1:01                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16  1:04                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:37                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:56                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 21:22                                     ` James Simmons
2001-05-17 10:42                                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-18 18:32                                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-19 10:23                                         ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants] Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 19:00                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-19 19:17                                             ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 19:35                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-19 19:43                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 20:31                                                   ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-19 23:57                                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20  7:18                                                   ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending DeviceNumber Registrants] Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20  7:41                                                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20  8:30                                                       ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending DeviceNumberRegistrants] Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20 10:09                                                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20  0:01                                               ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants] Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 11:17                                                 ` handling network using filesystem [was Re: no ioctls for serial ports?] Pavel Machek
2001-05-20  9:53                                               ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Num Kai Henningsen
2001-05-20 13:40                                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 14:27                                                   ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-20 14:30                                                   ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending DeviceNum Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20 14:45                                                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 15:00                                                       ` Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20 15:18                                                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 15:40                                                           ` Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20 16:01                                                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 15:26                                                       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-05-20 15:42                                                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 17:45                                                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-21 18:14                                                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 18:37                                                           ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-21 18:49                                                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 19:08                                                               ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-22  5:56                                                   ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Num Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 20:11                                             ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending DeviceNumber Registrants] Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-15 20:57                                   ` LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants James Simmons
2001-05-17 20:33                                   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 20:17                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:59                                 ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:51                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:22                               ` Jan Harkes
2001-05-15 21:39                               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-05-15 18:02                       ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-15 19:31                       ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 19:37                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:10                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:41                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 21:47                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 22:14                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:24                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 22:27                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:38                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 22:28                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 22:32                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:33                             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16  7:21                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-16 18:22                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 19:36                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 20:01                             ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 20:05                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 20:18                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16 20:44                               ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 20:54                               ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 21:36                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 22:11                                   ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-16 22:13                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 22:21                                       ` Jens Axboe
2001-05-16 23:03                                     ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:25                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:37                                       ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:38                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:41                                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:43                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:49                                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:55                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-17 21:12                                             ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 21:06                               ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16 23:51                             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 23:58                             ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-17  0:12                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-17  0:24                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-17  1:35                               ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-17  9:33                                 ` Guest section DW
2001-05-15 20:58                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:42                       ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 21:46                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 21:57                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:07                             ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:11                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:18                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:40                     ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:12                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:19                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:28                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:34                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 23:39                         ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-16 20:37                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:49                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 23:22                       ` Kenneth Johansson
2001-05-15  9:28                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:15                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 15:19                       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 15:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 17:27                           ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:43                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 18:04                               ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 18:15                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 19:36                                   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-15 20:18                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:26                                       ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-15 22:14                                         ` Miles Lane
2001-05-15 21:29                                       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-05-15 21:36                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 22:03                                         ` Jeff Mahoney
2001-05-15 22:42                                         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-15 21:51                                       ` Mark Frazer
2001-05-15 22:35                                       ` Bob Glamm
2001-05-16  0:56                                       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16  2:31                                         ` Andrew Morton
2001-05-16  6:56                                         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16  8:02                                           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-05-16 12:20                                           ` Bogdan Costescu
2001-05-16 14:37                                           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16 14:57                                             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-05-16 15:24                                             ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16  7:24                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-16 23:26                                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 23:31                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:53                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-17  0:21                                             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-17  7:57                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-17 16:26                                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-17  6:43                                             ` Thomas Sailer
2001-05-17 16:58                                               ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-17 17:18                                                 ` James Simmons
2001-05-17 17:29                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-17 17:41                                                   ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-17 22:03                                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-05-16 23:52                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-17  1:26                                           ` Joel Becker
2001-05-16 16:04                                       ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-16 21:36                                         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-18  2:18                                     ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-19 17:36                                       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-20  9:37                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-05-20 14:16                                         ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-20 15:54                                         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-20 15:57                                         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-19 17:45                                       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-19  8:42                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 21:23                                   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 19:33                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16  7:25                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-15 18:19                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 20:23                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 20:28                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:52                               ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-15 20:02                             ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-15 11:44               ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15 15:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16  1:00                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16 12:58                     ` Jens Axboe
2001-05-16  3:25                   ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15 15:51               ` John Fremlin
2001-05-14 21:09           ` Andi Kleen
2001-05-14 21:11           ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-14 21:23             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  0:33               ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-16  9:04                 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-14 21:16           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:05             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:30               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:48                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:46                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:53                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:54                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 23:00                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:58                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:29                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  4:20                             ` God
2001-05-15  7:48                             ` 2.4 " bert hubert
2001-05-15  8:54                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  9:09                                 ` bert hubert
2001-05-14 23:39                           ` LANANA: " Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 23:18                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-14 23:20                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 18:57                           ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15  5:56                         ` Oliver Neukum
2001-05-15  5:59                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 22:55                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:11                         ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-14 23:19                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:23                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  1:10                         ` Keith Owens
2001-05-15  4:12                 ` LANANA: Getting out of hand? God
2001-05-15  4:30                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  5:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  8:24                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-15  8:48                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:16                     ` Martin Dalecki
2001-05-14 23:01               ` Interrupted sound with 2.4.4-ac6 Hermann Himmelbauer
2001-05-14 23:34           ` LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 21:18         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:32     ` Richard Gooch [this message]
2001-05-14 20:09 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 20:14   ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 17:37 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-17 11:32   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 15:58 ` Kurt Garloff
2001-05-15 17:00 David Balazic
2001-05-16 17:02 ` Hacksaw
2001-05-16 17:19   ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2001-05-16 20:05     ` James Simmons
2001-05-16 20:13       ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2001-05-16 20:16         ` James Simmons
2001-05-16 20:21           ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
     [not found] <mng==Pine.LNX.4.10.10105151151380.22038-100000@www.transvirtual.com>
     [not found] ` <mng==Pine.LNX.4.21.0105151043360.2112-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
2001-05-15 20:59   ` Jens-Uwe Mager
2001-05-15 21:26 Andrzej Krzysztofowicz
2001-05-15 21:27 Timothy A. Seufert
2001-05-15 21:38 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16  7:23 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-16 15:50 ` Mo McKinlay
2001-05-15 22:21 David Brownell
2001-05-15 23:17 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-15 23:35   ` David Brownell
2001-05-15 23:55   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-17 18:39   ` Mark H. Wood
2001-05-15 22:49 David Brownell
2001-05-15 23:16 David Brownell
2001-05-15 23:35 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16  0:13   ` David Brownell
2001-05-15 23:56 ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-16  0:41 ` Miles Lane
2001-05-16 16:55   ` James Simmons
2001-05-17  6:12 ` Miles Lane
2001-05-17 12:07   ` Oliver Neukum
2001-05-17 16:34     ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-17 17:03     ` David Brownell
2001-05-17 16:17   ` David Brownell
2001-05-17 16:56   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 23:49 Bingner Sam J. Contractor RSIS
2001-05-16  7:10 ` Andrzej Krzysztofowicz
2001-05-16 18:25 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16  0:01 Bingner Sam J. Contractor RSIS
2001-05-16 11:08 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-05-16  9:56 Chemolli Francesco (USI)
2001-05-16 11:18 ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-16 12:09   ` Thomas Kotzian
2001-05-16 18:58     ` Heinz J. Mauelshagen
2001-05-17  6:35       ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-05-17  9:39         ` Guest section DW
2001-05-21  7:16           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-05-18 15:57         ` Heinz J. Mauelshagen
2001-05-16 12:12   ` Oystein Viggen
2001-05-16 12:45     ` Josh Fryman
2001-05-16 13:28     ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-16 18:37       ` Hacksaw
2001-05-16 16:30     ` Miles Lane
2001-05-16 16:18       ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-18 14:17         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-19  5:29           ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-19 16:43             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-19 18:21             ` Hans Reiser
2001-05-19 20:20           ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-21 13:34             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-16 15:14 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16 13:11 mike_phillips
2001-05-18 18:23 ` Mark H. Wood
2001-05-16 13:13 Jesse Pollard
2001-05-16 15:06 Khachaturov, Vassilii
2001-05-17  0:09 Dunlap, Randy
2001-05-17  0:18 Andries.Brouwer
2001-05-17  1:18 ` Mike Anderson
2001-05-17  2:46 ` Willem Konynenberg
2001-05-17  9:42   ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-17  8:58 Andries.Brouwer
2001-05-17 20:00 Brian Wheeler
2001-05-18  8:24 ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-18  8:27   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 14:06   ` Brian Wheeler
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2002-10-03  0:36 ` [PATCH] AFS filesystem for Linux (2/2) Linus Torvalds
2002-10-03  9:05   ` David Howells
2002-10-03 16:53     ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-03 17:45       ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-03 21:46       ` David Howells
2002-10-04  8:13       ` David Howells
     [not found]       ` <15381.1033681790@warthog.cambridge.redhat.com>
2002-10-04 14:02         ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-04 14:40           ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-04 15:35             ` David Howells
2002-10-04 15:53               ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-04 15:56                 ` David Howells
2002-10-04 16:03                   ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-04 16:17                     ` David Howells
2002-10-04 17:04                       ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-04 17:29                         ` David Howells
2002-10-07 14:14                         ` David Howells
2002-10-07 14:54                           ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-07 15:36                             ` David Howells
2002-10-04 16:30               ` Andreas Dilger
2002-10-04 15:34           ` David Howells
2002-10-04 16:07             ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-04 16:56               ` David Howells
2002-10-04 17:36                 ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-07  9:14                   ` David Howells
2002-10-06 16:49     ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-10-07  9:16       ` David Howells
2002-10-04 14:11   ` [patch] [kkern] " Patrick Audley

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