From: "Adam J. Richter" <adam@yggdrasil.com>
To: lm@bitmover.com
Cc: aaronl@vitelus.com, acahalan@cs.uml.edu, dledford@redhat.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: Copyright infringement in linux/drivers/usb/serial/keyspan*fw.h
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:34:57 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200105260234.TAA15586@baldur.yggdrasil.com> (raw)
Larry McVoy writes:
>On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 10:02:08AM -0700, Adam J. Richter wrote:
>> If you want to argue that a court will use a different definition
>> of aggregation, then please explain why and quote that definition. Also,
>> it's important not to forget the word "mere." If the combination is anything
>> *more* than aggregration, then it's not _merely_ aggregation. So,
>> if you wanted to argue from the definition on webster.com:
>Adam, the point is not what the GPL says or what the definition is.
>The point is "what is legal". You can, for example, write a license
>which says
> By running the software covered by this license, you agree to
> become my personal slave and you will be obligated to bring
> me coffee each morning for the rest of my life, greating
> me with a "Good morning, master, here is your coffee oh
> most magnificent one".
>If anyone is stupid enough to obey such a license, they need help.
>The problem is that licenses can write whatever they want, but what they
>say only has meaning if it is enforceable. The "license" above would
>be found to be unenforceable by the courts in about 30 seconds or so.
Contracts for slavery are specifically not enforceable due to
the 13th Amendment, and there is also a stronger question of formation
of a binding contract in your example, because the proposed mode of
acceptance (related to the pointers I provided before) is doing
something that you might have the right to do regardless of copyright
(running the program as opposed to distributing copies). I believe
that people write contracts all the time that prohibit distribution of
certain works with others, for marketing reasons.
>OK, so what does this have to do with aggregration? The prevailing
>legal opinions seem to be that viral licenses cannot extend their
>terms across boundaries.
We're not talking about mythically changing the copyright
status of another work. If your opinion is "prevailing" please
include a reference to a section of the US code, a court decision
or some reference that one could actually track down.
By the way, I have asked a lawyer at an IP litigation firm
that we use about this and he indicated the copyright infringement case
was quite strong.
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next reply other threads:[~2001-05-26 2:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-05-26 2:34 Adam J. Richter [this message]
2001-05-26 2:38 ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-26 4:52 ` Jeff V. Merkey
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2001-05-29 1:38 Adam J. Richter
2001-05-26 11:09 Adam J. Richter
2001-05-26 3:10 Adam J. Richter
2001-05-26 11:00 ` James Sutherland
2001-05-29 0:03 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-05-29 0:24 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-29 0:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-05-25 17:02 Adam J. Richter
2001-05-25 17:23 ` Jacob Luna Lundberg
2001-05-25 18:30 ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-25 22:30 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-05-26 1:43 ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-25 19:14 ` Doug Ledford
2001-05-25 10:36 Adam J. Richter
2001-05-25 9:34 Adam J. Richter
2001-05-25 16:06 ` Doug Ledford
[not found] <200105250559.f4P5x80365151@saturn.cs.uml.edu>
2001-05-25 6:03 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-05-25 6:34 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-25 6:42 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-05-25 6:58 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-25 7:02 ` Andreas Jaeger
2001-05-25 7:05 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-25 10:56 ` Erik Mouw
2001-05-25 11:56 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-25 12:44 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] <mailman.990765360.7016.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-05-25 6:02 ` Pete Zaitcev
[not found] <Pine.BSF.4.21.0105242155540.4849-100000@beppo.feral.com>
2001-05-25 5:57 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-05-25 6:26 ` Matthew Jacob
2001-05-25 6:31 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-05-25 4:34 Aaron Lehmann
2001-05-25 5:07 ` Greg KH
2001-05-25 10:00 ` John Cavan
2001-05-25 11:10 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-25 16:17 ` Alan Cox
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