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From: Jason McMullan <jmcmullan@linuxcare.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
Cc: Jason McMullan <jmcmullan@linuxcare.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: VM Requirement Document - v0.0
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:29:13 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010626172913.A29829@jmcmullan.resilience.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010626155838.A23098@jmcmullan.resilience.com> <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0106261819400.23373-100000@duckman.distro.conectiva>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0106261819400.23373-100000@duckman.distro.conectiva>; from riel@conectiva.com.br on Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 06:21:21PM -0300

On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 06:21:21PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote:
> > 	* If we're getting low cache hit rates, don't flush
> > 	  processes to swap.
> > 	* If we're getting good cache hit rates, flush old, idle
> > 	  processes to swap.
> 
> ... but I fail to see this one. If we get a low cache hit
> rate, couldn't that just mean we allocated too little memory
> for the cache ?

	Hmmm. I didn't take that into consideration. But at the
same time, shouldn't a VM be able to determine that its cache
strategy is causing _more_ (absolute) misses by increasing it 
cache size? The percentage of misses may go down, but total 
device I/O may stay the same.

	So let's see... I'll rephrase that 'Motiviation' as:

	* Minimize the total medium/slow I/Os that occur over a 
	  sliding window of time. 

	Is that a more general case?
 
> Also, how would we translate all these requirements into
> VM strategies ?

	First, I would like to translate them into measurements.
Once we know how to measure these criteria, its possible to
formalize the feedback mechanism/accounting that a VM should
be aware of.

	In the end, I would like a VM to have some idea of
how well its performing, and be able to attempt various
well-known strategies based upon its own performance.

-- 
Jason McMullan, Senior Linux Consultant
Linuxcare, Inc. 412.432.6457 tel, 412.656.3519 cell
jmcmullan@linuxcare.com, http://www.linuxcare.com/
Linuxcare. Putting open source to work.

  reply	other threads:[~2001-06-26 21:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-26 19:58 Jason McMullan
2001-06-26 21:21 ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-26 21:29   ` Jason McMullan [this message]
2001-06-26 21:33 ` John Stoffel
2001-06-26 21:42   ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-26 22:21     ` Stefan Hoffmeister
2001-06-26 22:48       ` Jeffrey W. Baker
2001-06-27  0:18         ` Mike Castle
2001-06-28 13:07       ` John Fremlin
2001-06-27 13:36     ` Marco Colombo
2001-06-27  3:55   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-27 14:09   ` Pozsar Balazs
2001-06-28 22:47 ` John Fremlin
2001-06-30 15:37 ` Pavel Machek
2001-07-10 10:34 ` David Woodhouse
2001-06-27  8:53 Martin Knoblauch
2001-06-27 18:13 ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-28  6:59   ` Martin Knoblauch
2001-06-28 11:27 ` Helge Hafting
2001-06-28 11:54   ` Martin Knoblauch
2001-06-28 12:02   ` Tobias Ringstrom
2001-06-28 12:31     ` Xavier Bestel
2001-06-28 13:05       ` Tobias Ringstrom
     [not found] <fa.oqkojpv.3hosb7@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.jpsks3v.1o2gag4@ifi.uio.no>
2001-06-27  0:43   ` Dan Maas
2001-06-27  0:45     ` Mike Castle
2001-06-27 10:50   ` Xavier Bestel
2001-06-28 12:20 mike_phillips
2001-06-28 12:30 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-28 13:33   ` Tobias Ringstrom
2001-06-28 13:37     ` Alan Cox
2001-06-28 14:04       ` Tobias Ringstrom
2001-06-28 14:14         ` Alan Cox
2001-06-28 14:52       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-28 14:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-28 18:01   ` Marco Colombo
2001-07-02 18:42     ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-03 10:33       ` Marco Colombo
2001-07-03 15:04         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-03 18:24           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-04  8:12           ` Ari Heitner
2001-07-04  9:41           ` Marco Colombo
2001-07-04 15:03             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-03 18:29       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-04  8:32         ` Marco Colombo
2001-07-04 14:44           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-28 15:21 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-06-28 16:02   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-04 16:08 mike_phillips
2001-07-05 15:04 Daniel Phillips
     [not found] ` <fa.jprli0v.qlofoc@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.e66agbv.hn0u1v@ifi.uio.no>
2001-07-05  1:49     ` Dan Maas
2001-07-05 13:02       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-05 14:00       ` Xavier Bestel
2001-07-05 14:51         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-05 15:00         ` Xavier Bestel
2001-07-05 15:12           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-05 15:12         ` Alan Shutko
     [not found]     ` <002501c104f4/mnt/sendme701a8c0@morph>
2001-07-09 12:17       ` Pavel Machek
2001-07-12 23:46         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-13 21:07           ` Pavel Machek
2001-07-06 19:09 ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-06 21:57   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-05 15:09 mike_phillips

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