From: Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@drgw.net>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Patrick Dreker <patrick@dreker.de>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
jffs-dev@axis.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Cosmetic JFFS patch.
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:50:45 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010628125045.P8027@altus.drgw.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <01062809432100.00590@wintermute> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0106280956030.15199-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0106280956030.15199-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>; from torvalds@transmeta.com on Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 10:05:22AM -0700
<snip>
> Let's make it policy that we _never_ print out annoying messages that have
> no useful purpose for debugging or running the system, ok?
>
> "Informational" messages aren't informational, they're just annoying, and
> they hide the _real_ stuff.
Sometimes, but I've run into WAY too many occasions where all I know about
why this sytem died was "what was the last annoying informational boot
message". This gets really usefull when you have either old crufty
hardware that's questionable OR fresh alpha silicon for some new
whizz-bang processor.
> Things like version strings etc sound useful, but the fact is that the
> only _real_ problem it has ever solved for anybody is when somebody thinks
> they install a new kernel, and forgets to run "lilo" or something. But
> even that information you really get from a simple "uname -a".
>
> Do we care that when you boot kernel-2.4.5 you get "net-3"? No. Do we care
> that we have quota version "dquot_6.4.0"? No. Do we want to get the
> version printed for every single driver we load? No.
>
> If people care about version printing, it (a) only makes sense for modules
> and (b) should therefore maybe be done by the module loader. And modules
> already have the MODULE_DESCRIPTION() thing, so they should NOT printk it
> on their own. modprobe can do it if it wants to.
>
> So let's simply disallow versions, author information, and "good status"
> messages, ok? For stuff that is useful for debugging (but that the driver
> doesn't _know_ is needed), use KERN_DEBUG, so that it doesn't actually end
> up printed on the screen normally.
>
> Authors willing to start sending me patches?
>
> Linus
>
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Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-06-26 12:52 David Woodhouse
2001-06-27 20:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-06-27 22:09 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-27 22:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-06-28 7:43 ` Patrick Dreker
2001-06-28 8:07 ` Greg KH
2001-06-28 17:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-06-28 17:14 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-28 17:51 ` Craig Milo Rogers
2001-06-28 18:06 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-29 2:30 ` Keith Owens
2001-06-28 17:18 ` David Woodhouse
2001-06-28 17:22 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-28 18:28 ` Pekka Pietikainen
2001-06-30 11:42 ` Ben Ford
2001-06-28 17:50 ` Troy Benjegerdes [this message]
2001-06-28 19:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-28 19:25 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-06-28 19:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-30 10:52 ` Pavel Machek
2001-06-28 19:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-06-28 19:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-29 3:22 ` Ian Stirling
2001-06-29 11:27 ` Juan Quintela
2001-06-29 12:00 ` Craig McLean
2001-06-29 19:47 ` Hacksaw
2001-06-30 22:17 ` Adam Sampson
2001-06-28 5:54 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-06-28 8:39 ` Laramie Leavitt
2001-06-28 9:19 ` Bjorn Wesen
2001-06-28 10:57 ` David Weinehall
2001-06-28 12:01 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-28 17:47 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2001-06-28 22:04 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-29 2:16 ` Hacksaw
2001-06-28 14:37 ` chuckw
2001-06-28 16:14 ` Vipin Malik
2001-06-28 16:24 ` chuckw
2001-06-28 16:25 ` David Woodhouse
2001-06-28 21:30 ` John R Lenton
2001-06-28 21:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-28 21:43 ` Olaf Hering
2001-06-28 21:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-29 19:36 ` Riley Williams
2001-06-28 16:26 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-28 17:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-06-28 17:18 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-28 17:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-06-28 17:35 ` David Woodhouse
2001-06-28 17:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-06-28 18:13 ` David Woodhouse
2001-06-28 22:01 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-06-28 17:29 ` chuckw
2001-06-28 17:30 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-06-28 17:41 ` chuckw
2001-06-28 17:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-06-28 18:17 ` Christoph Zens
2001-06-30 2:52 ` Daniel Stone
2001-06-28 18:16 ` Tommy Reynolds
2001-06-28 18:36 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-06-28 18:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-28 19:09 ` Dan Podeanu
2001-06-28 20:18 ` Craig Milo Rogers
2001-07-01 6:32 ` Hua Zhong
2001-07-01 7:22 ` Ian Stirling
2001-06-29 13:43 ` Holger Lubitz
2001-06-29 14:36 ` Jordan Crouse
2001-06-29 15:09 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-29 17:43 ` Chris Boot
2001-06-29 17:26 ` David Lang
2001-06-30 11:07 ` szonyi calin
2001-06-29 17:19 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-28 17:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-06-29 6:03 ` Paul Mackerras
2001-06-29 6:29 ` Cort Dougan
2001-06-29 7:44 ` Paul Mackerras
2001-06-29 8:10 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-01 19:14 ` Anuradha Ratnaweera
2001-06-28 22:20 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-06-29 14:33 ` Chuck Wolber
2001-07-01 9:15 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-06-28 7:18 ` PATCH 2.4.6.5: fix mtd config David Woodhouse
2001-06-29 0:29 Cosmetic JFFS patch A. Melon
2001-06-29 11:01 Martin Knoblauch
2001-07-01 6:39 ` Hua Zhong
2001-07-01 7:21 ` Gregory Finch
[not found] <993825330.30635@whiskey.enposte.net>
2001-06-29 20:13 ` Stuart Lynne
2001-06-30 20:39 ` Raja R Harinath
2001-07-02 8:38 ` Craig McLean
2001-06-30 18:26 Torrey Hoffman
2001-07-01 9:27 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-07-05 12:41 Heusden, Folkert van
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