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From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: Chris Wedgwood <cw@f00f.org>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Craig Soules <soules@happyplace.pdl.cmu.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: NFS Client patch
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:41:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010710154135.A4603@gruyere.muc.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96L.1010709131315.16113O-200000@happyplace.pdl.cmu.edu.suse.lists.linux.kernel> <oupbsmueyv8.fsf@pigdrop.muc.suse.de> <20010711013311.B31799@weta.f00f.org>
In-Reply-To: <20010711013311.B31799@weta.f00f.org>; from cw@f00f.org on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 01:33:11AM +1200

On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 01:33:11AM +1200, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 08:33:31PM +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
> 
>     Actually all the file systems who do that on Linux (JFS, XFS,
>     reiserfs) have fixed the issue properly server side, by adding a
>     layer that generates stable cookies. You should too.
> 
> I've always thought that was a stupid fix. Why not have the clients be
> smarted and make them responsible for getting a new cookie if the old
> one is hosed?

Because to get that new cookie you would need another cookie; otherwise
you could violate the readdir guarantee that it'll never return files
twice.

> For linux, with the dcache, I'm not even sure that this would be all
> the hard. Persumable Solaris could (does?) do the same?

dcache is not populated on readdir for good reasons (it would 
require reading the inodes and tie a of lot of memory) and you would need
to lock all the dcache entries belong to a directory while a nfs readdir;
tieing up even more memory. Also a readdir() is not bounded in time.

BTW; the cookie issue is not an NFS only problem. It occurs on local
IO as well. Just consider rm -rf - reading directories and in parallel
deleting them (the original poster's file system would have surely
gotten that wrong). Another tricky case is telldir().  


-Andi

  reply	other threads:[~2001-07-10 13:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.3.96L.1010709131315.16113O-200000@happyplace.pdl.cmu.edu.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2001-07-09 18:33 ` Andi Kleen
2001-07-10 13:33   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-10 13:41     ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2001-07-10 16:48       ` Craig Soules
2001-07-10 17:06         ` Andi Kleen
2001-07-10 18:04           ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-12 20:57             ` Alan Cox
2001-07-13 11:26               ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-17 22:02   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-17 22:14     ` Craig Soules
2001-07-17 22:21       ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-18 13:30         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-18 14:46           ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-18 14:00         ` Jan Harkes
2001-07-18 14:46           ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-19 18:24             ` Pavel Machek
2001-07-22 15:15               ` Rob Landley
2001-07-23  2:02                 ` Horst von Brand
2001-07-23  9:57                   ` Rob Landley
2001-07-18 13:57     ` Chris Mason
2001-07-19 11:35       ` Trond Myklebust
2001-07-19 18:02         ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-20  8:50         ` Trond Myklebust
2001-07-20 11:30           ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-20 14:07           ` Chris Mason
2001-07-09 17:28 Craig Soules
2001-07-09 18:59 ` Trond Myklebust
2001-07-09 19:45   ` Craig Soules
2001-07-09 19:53     ` Charles Cazabon
2001-07-09 21:46     ` J. Richard Sladkey
2001-07-10 15:06       ` Craig Soules
2001-07-09 20:05   ` Trond Myklebust
2001-07-09 22:09     ` Craig Soules
2001-07-10  8:22     ` Trond Myklebust
2001-07-10 13:38       ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-11  8:14       ` Trond Myklebust

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