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From: Axel Thimm <Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Remotely rebooting a machine with state 'D' processes, how?
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 09:26:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010811092623.A4877@bonzo.nirvana> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010810231906.A21435@bonzo.nirvana> <200108102159.f7ALxb908284@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <200108102159.f7ALxb908284@penguin.transmeta.com>; from torvalds@transmeta.com on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 02:59:37PM -0700

On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 02:59:37PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> In article <20010810231906.A21435@bonzo.nirvana> you write:
> > How can I reboot a stuck machine remotely, when there are uninterruptable
> > processes arround? shutdown -r, reboot [-n] [-f], telinit 6 do not give
> > the intended results. Localy I can use Alt-SysRq-S/U/B, but what if I
> > still have a remote ssh connection and don't want to have to get to the
> > machines location?
> >
> > Of course the real problem are the processes themselves, but being able to
> > revive a machine is also nice ;)
> You have to use the reboot() system call directly as root, with the proper
> arguments to make it avoid doing even any sync. See man 2 reboot for
> details.

Would there be a way to also simulate the effects of Alt-SysRq-S and
Alt-SysRq-U? A simple sync falls also into D-state, Alt-SysRq-S does not, as
far as I have had to use it.

Would an `emergency-reboot' binary that calls these three kernel calls be
possible and also good-to-have if it's not a too bad idea?

Is there a way to have this automated in some kind of a kernel software
watchdog? Given certain conditions (like processes in D-state for longer than
a specified time) the kernel might first try to call a userland-reboot and
this timing out the kernel might use the sync;umount;reboot procedure of
Alt-SysRq-S/U/B.

But even when I write this I realize the security hole potentials. If someone
could simulate the watchdog conditions for a reboot, he might be able to have
this machine reboot all the time.
-- 
Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-08-11  7:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-10 21:19 Axel Thimm
2001-08-10 21:57 ` Brian
2001-08-10 21:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-10 22:50   ` Herbert Xu
2001-08-10 22:55     ` Andi Kleen
2001-08-10 23:05       ` Herbert Xu
2001-08-10 22:57     ` Robert Love
2001-08-10 22:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-10 23:50       ` Herbert Xu
2001-08-11  0:04         ` Mike Fedyk
2001-08-19  4:02           ` Troy Benjegerdes
2001-08-11  0:06         ` Chris Abbey
2001-08-10 22:58     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-11  7:26   ` Axel Thimm [this message]
2001-08-11 11:28   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-08-10 23:25 Ricardo Galli

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