From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
Andreas Dilger <adilger@turbolabs.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: linux-2.4.10-pre5
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:07:03 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010911155953Z16272-1367+16@humbolt.nl.linux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109110843010.8078-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109110843010.8078-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
On September 11, 2001 05:48 pm, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Daniel Phillips wrote:
> >
> > But see my post in this thread where I created a simple test to show that,
> > even when we pre-read *all* the inodes in a directory, there is no great
> > performance win.
>
> Note that I suspect that because the inode tree _is_ fairly dense, you
> don't actually need to do much read-ahead in most cases. Simply because
> you automatically do read-ahead _always_: when somebody reads a 128-byte
> inode, you (whether you like it or not) always "read-ahead" the 31 inodes
> around it on a 4kB filesystem.
>
> So we _already_ do read-ahead by a "factor of 31". Whether we can improve
> that or not by increasing it to 63 inodes, who knows?
>
> I actually think that the "start read-ahead for inode blocks when you do
> readdir" might be a bigger win, because that would be a _new_ kind of
> read-ahead that we haven't done before, and might improve performance for
> things like "ls -l" in the cold-cache situation..
But wait, if our theories are correct then the disk is doing physical
readahead anyway, and its a nice scsi disk with lots of cache, so *why does
it take so long to read the metadata*? It's about 11,000 files, that's
1.3Meg of inodes and just a couple hundred K of directories.
There is clearly something nonoptimal about the hardware readahead and/or
caching.
> (Although again, because the inode is relatively small to the IO cache
> size, it's probably fairly _hard_ to get a fully cold-cache inode case. So
> I'm not sure even that kind of read-ahead would actually make any
> difference at all).
--
Daniel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-09-11 15:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-09-08 4:18 linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-08 6:32 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5: drivers/net/wan compile fixes Eyal Lebedinsky
2001-09-08 6:36 ` 2.4.9-ac10 (not 2.4.10-pre5!) wan fixes Eyal Lebedinsky
2001-09-08 8:32 ` 2.4.10-pre5 compile error George Bonser
2001-09-08 17:19 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-08 17:30 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-08 17:57 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-08 18:01 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 1:09 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 1:20 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 1:38 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 1:53 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 2:22 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 2:31 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 3:30 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 3:58 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 4:16 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 4:28 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 12:09 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Rik van Riel
2001-09-09 14:53 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 18:17 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 20:18 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 H. Peter Anvin
2001-09-10 0:39 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Simon Kirby
2001-09-10 8:30 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Kai Henningsen
2001-09-11 5:29 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Peter Samuelson
2001-09-11 11:29 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Kai Henningsen
2001-09-10 21:22 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-09-09 14:47 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 16:24 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 17:29 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 23:56 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-09 4:29 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andreas Dilger
2001-09-09 4:54 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 6:17 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andreas Dilger
2001-09-09 17:31 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 19:19 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-09 23:24 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 23:54 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alan Cox
2001-09-10 0:04 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 0:23 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-10 0:23 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 0:38 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-10 1:04 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-10 1:45 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10 1:55 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-10 2:15 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 2:20 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10 2:40 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 3:02 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10 3:36 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 19:06 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10 2:22 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 2:02 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10 2:06 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-10 2:03 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-10 2:41 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10 21:18 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 21:23 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-10 21:54 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 22:39 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-10 23:13 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 23:25 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-10 22:15 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-10 22:26 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-10 22:39 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Rik van Riel
2001-09-10 23:14 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 23:16 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11 0:53 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Rik van Riel
2001-09-11 6:39 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Hua Zhong
2001-09-11 15:12 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11 15:44 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11 15:48 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11 16:05 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-11 16:07 ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2001-09-11 16:07 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-11 16:13 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Martin Dalecki
2001-09-11 17:17 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11 10:02 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11 20:07 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Rik van Riel
2001-09-10 23:20 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11 0:20 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11 1:16 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11 2:27 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11 7:45 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Helge Hafting
2001-09-11 10:27 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11 15:39 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11 16:52 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-09 19:51 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-09 9:05 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Christoph Hellwig
2001-09-09 13:14 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Anton Altaparmakov
2001-09-09 14:31 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-08 21:15 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andreas Dilger
2001-09-09 0:59 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-08 22:01 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Thiago Vinhas de Moraes
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