From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:59:46 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:59:26 -0400 Received: from [141.158.127.119] ([141.158.127.119]:27123 "HELO jmcmullan") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:59:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:57:10 -0400 From: Jason McMullan To: Alan Cox Cc: Jason McMullan , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Why is Device3Dfx driver (voodoo1/2) not in the kernel? Message-ID: <20010927115710.A23248@jmcmullan.evillabs.net> In-Reply-To: <9ou9u4$ee6$1@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: ; from alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 01:00:50PM +0100 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 01:00:50PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > There are actually distinct similarities between some DRI drivers and what > Linus suggested the KGI people needed to be doing. Certain hardware isnt > totally user safe (not on the extremes of the voodoo1 here) and the drivers > do small amounts of work to stop abuse. All mode changes, rendering > primitives and the like are however in userspace. Rendering - definitely agree. Userspace. Mode changing - Now there I can get into an argument. I still (after all these years) feel that the Kernel is the best place to put video mode control. That way 'killall -9 X' isn't nearly as nasty... The kernel could at least get you back to a text console. And now that XFree86 4 has a vm86 system to 'run the Video BIOS' for certain cards, it shouldn't be to hard to emulate the old OS/2 system - in a vm86 session, use the BIOS to switch to all the supported modes, and record (via vm86 io traps) everything the BIOS does. Then, in the driver, just 'play back' the scripts... Worked beatifully for OS/2 back in the day for 2D framebuffers... Anyway, I'll just let sleeping dogs lie and leave it at that. > I firmly believe you can do X11 with 3D in windows, including partial > occlusion of 3d windows on a 3dfx voodoo1 or voodoo2 card. As do I, but I lack three things: The time, The Specs, and The Hardware. :( -- Jason McMullan, Senior Linux Consultant Linuxcare, Inc. 412.432.6457 tel, 412.656.3519 cell jmcmullan@linuxcare.com, http://www.linuxcare.com/ Linuxcare. Putting open source to work.