From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:16:54 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:16:45 -0500 Received: from dsl254-112-233.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([216.254.112.233]:29124 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:16:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:06:37 -0500 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: CML2 , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: CML2 1.9.8 Message-ID: <20011213040637.A9104@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , CML2 , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org The latest version is always available at http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/cml2/ Release 1.9.8: Thu Dec 13 03:52:38 EST 2001 * Rulebase and help sync with 2.4.17-pre8/2.5.1-pre11. * Saveability predicate simplified drastically. This is a point release intended for Keith Owens to test. He has reported a bug that different front ends save out different sets of symbols set to n; all the variants are logically equivalent, so this is strictly speaking only a cosmetic bug. This release attempts to fix the problem by simplifying the code that determines whether a symbol is eligible to be saved out. -- Eric S. Raymond The people cannot delegate to government the power to do anything which would be unlawful for them to do themselves. -- John Locke, "A Treatise Concerning Civil Government" From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:56:42 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:56:35 -0500 Received: from warden.digitalinsight.com ([208.29.163.2]:20470 "HELO warden.diginsite.com") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:56:28 -0500 From: David Lang To: "Eric S. Raymond" Cc: CML2 , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:30:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: CML2 1.9.8 In-Reply-To: <20011213040637.A9104@thyrsus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org does this problem (and fix) also apply to the adventure mode (just checking to see how unified the output section really is :-) David Lang On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:06:37 -0500 > From: Eric S. Raymond > To: CML2 , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: CML2 1.9.8 > > The latest version is always available at http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/cml2/ > > Release 1.9.8: Thu Dec 13 03:52:38 EST 2001 > * Rulebase and help sync with 2.4.17-pre8/2.5.1-pre11. > * Saveability predicate simplified drastically. > > This is a point release intended for Keith Owens to test. He has > reported a bug that different front ends save out different sets of symbols > set to n; all the variants are logically equivalent, so this is strictly > speaking only a cosmetic bug. This release attempts to fix the problem by > simplifying the code that determines whether a symbol is eligible to be > saved out. > -- > Eric S. Raymond > > The people cannot delegate to government the power to do anything > which would be unlawful for them to do themselves. > -- John Locke, "A Treatise Concerning Civil Government" > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:03:19 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:03:09 -0500 Received: from mail.ocs.com.au ([203.34.97.2]:44548 "HELO mail.ocs.com.au") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:03:02 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 From: Keith Owens To: esr@thyrsus.com Cc: CML2 , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.9.8 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:06:37 CDT." <20011213040637.A9104@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:02:50 +1100 Message-ID: <27281.1008244970@ocs3.intra.ocs.com.au> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:06:37 -0500, "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: >The latest version is always available at http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/cml2/ > >Release 1.9.8: Thu Dec 13 03:52:38 EST 2001 > * Rulebase and help sync with 2.4.17-pre8/2.5.1-pre11. > * Saveability predicate simplified drastically. > >This is a point release intended for Keith Owens to test. Tested oldconfig, menuconfig, xconfig - all give the same results now. Even better, the change means that the CML2 output is now much closer to the config generated by CML1. There are some minor differences between CML1 and CML2 generated configs but those could be due to better validation in CML2, I will follow those up in a separate mail. Looking good. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:58:10 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:58:00 -0500 Received: from dsl254-112-233.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([216.254.112.233]:32453 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:57:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:47:32 -0500 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: David Lang Cc: CML2 , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: CML2 1.9.8 Message-ID: <20011213104732.A14059@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , David Lang , CML2 , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net In-Reply-To: <20011213040637.A9104@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from david.lang@digitalinsight.com on Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 01:30:53AM -0800 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org David Lang : > does this problem (and fix) also apply to the adventure mode (just > checking to see how unified the output section really is :-) I think the pattern was menuconfig doing one thing and all the other front ends (including cmladvent.py) doing something else. But Keith says it's fixed now. -- Eric S. Raymond "You have taught us much. Come with us and join the movement." "This movement of yours, does it have slogans?" inquired the Chink. "Right on!" they cried. And they quoted him some. "Your movement, does it have a flag?" asked the Chink. "You bet!" and they described their emblem. "And does your movement have leaders?" "Great leaders." "Then shove it up your butts," said the Chink. "I have taught you nothing." -- Tom Robbins, "Even Cowgirls Get The Blues" From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:59:30 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:59:20 -0500 Received: from dsl254-112-233.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([216.254.112.233]:33221 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:59:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:48:20 -0500 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Keith Owens Cc: CML2 , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.9.8 Message-ID: <20011213104820.B14059@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , Keith Owens , CML2 , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net In-Reply-To: <20011213040637.A9104@thyrsus.com> <27281.1008244970@ocs3.intra.ocs.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <27281.1008244970@ocs3.intra.ocs.com.au>; from kaos@ocs.com.au on Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 11:02:50PM +1100 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Keith Owens : > Tested oldconfig, menuconfig, xconfig - all give the same results now. > Even better, the change means that the CML2 output is now much closer > to the config generated by CML1. There are some minor differences > between CML1 and CML2 generated configs but those could be due to > better validation in CML2, I will follow those up in a separate mail. > Looking good. Excellent! -- Eric S. Raymond Fantastic doctrines (like Christianity or Islam or Marxism) require unanimity of belief. One dissenter casts doubt on the creed of millions. Thus the fear and the hate; thus the torture chamber, the iron stake, the gallows, the labor camp, the psychiatric ward. -- Edward Abbey From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:19:40 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:19:30 -0500 Received: from mail.vzavenue.net ([66.171.36.252]:54614 "EHLO mail.vzavenue.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:19:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:16:56 +0000 From: Richard Todd To: David Lang Cc: "Eric S. Raymond" , CML2 , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: CML2 1.9.8 Message-ID: <20011213221656.A1667@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20011213040637.A9104@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from david.lang@digitalinsight.com on Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 01:30:53AM -0800 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 01:30:53AM -0800, David Lang wrote: > does this problem (and fix) also apply to the adventure mode (just > checking to see how unified the output section really is :-) Yes. I've tried it and it made the outputs the same for me.. Note that it wasn't as simple as a different output from the *configs. Only after three consecutive runs of oldconfig (starting from nothing) did my config.out stabilize before. As was noted, the only 'problem' was that it was hard to be warm and fuzzy about the outputs producing the same kernel in the end. Richard