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From: Jesse Pollard <pollard@tomcat.admin.navo.hpc.mil>
To: vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl, "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>,
	Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: ISA slot detection on PCI systems?
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:00:24 -0600 (CST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200201031500.JAA85785@tomcat.admin.navo.hpc.mil> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200201031431.g03EVLpa021956@pincoya.inf.utfsm.cl>

---------  Received message begins Here  ---------

> 
> "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com> said:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Yes. But *I* want Aunt Tilley to be able to download the latest kernel
> > sources and build/install them herself, without ever feeling that the task 
> > is beyond her capabilities.  
> 
> Come on, how many Aunts do you have that even know (or care) what a
> "kernel" is, let alone think of "building the latest from source"?
> 
> > Part of the reason I want this is for the capability itself; partly I want
> > it pour encourager les autres -- to demonstrate, by tackling one of the 
> > toughest cases, that much of the complexity and anti-useability of Linux
> > is an artificial and unnecessary creation of the culture that created it,
> > rather than a result of actual technical depth of the problem.
> 
> Then do your demonstration on something that is actually useful in real
> life, non? Like making using Linux + Apache + <whatever> easier to use for
> secure websites (I've recently read that MS IIS is doing _large_ inroads
> there). That could make a real difference in "World domination. Fast."

IIS and the phrase "secure websites" in one sentance ???
IIS can't be made secure, even if it is used at sites that claim to be
"secure".

This is a different problem domain from kernel configuration. You are
referring to an expert system for system administration. Or perhaps
a "System Administrators Assistant" program. (How about "Security
Administrators Assitant" ...)

Not an unreasonable project - just not one that can realistically be completed.
Maybe a "good enough" one though ...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jesse I Pollard, II
Email: pollard@navo.hpc.mil

Any opinions expressed are solely my own.

  reply	other threads:[~2002-01-03 15:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 187+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-02 20:15 Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 20:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-02 20:46 ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-02 20:59 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 20:46   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 21:13     ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 21:19     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 21:04       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 22:34         ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03  9:26         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-03  8:44     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-03 12:46     ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-04 15:04       ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-02 21:00   ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 21:23     ` Bill Nottingham
2002-01-02 21:13       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 21:31         ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 21:30           ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 21:48             ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 21:47               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 22:12                 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 22:08                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 22:39                     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 22:24                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 22:50                         ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 22:34                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 23:09                             ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 23:09                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 23:52                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 23:56                                 ` Mike Castle
2002-01-03  0:00                                   ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03  0:37                                     ` Mike Castle
2002-01-03  0:58                                       ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 13:35                                         ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-03 13:46                                           ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 16:42                                             ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-03 18:06                                               ` Alex
2002-01-03 18:16                                                 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-03 18:22                                                 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-01-03 22:26                                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 22:20                                                     ` Patrick Mochel
2002-01-03 22:31                                                       ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 18:41                                                 ` Gábor Lénárt
2002-01-03 22:24                                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-01-07 21:56                                                 ` Mark H. Wood
2002-01-03 13:10                             ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-02 22:53                         ` Mike Castle
2002-01-02 23:16                           ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 23:31                             ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 23:04                         ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-03  3:49                           ` Cameron Simpson
2002-01-03  4:03                             ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03  6:46                             ` Mike Castle
2002-01-03 12:35                             ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 12:39                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-05  7:03                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-05 17:16                                   ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-01-05 17:34                                     ` Dave Jones
2002-01-05 20:29                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-06  1:19                                         ` Dave Jones
2002-01-06 12:19                                           ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-01-06 13:16                                             ` Dave Jones
2002-01-06 15:26                                               ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-01-06 18:20                                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-07 13:35                                                   ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-01-06 21:03                                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-06 22:16                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-07  7:42                                       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-03 16:00                               ` Cryto verification of Kernel against Trojan code?? Timothy Covell
2002-01-03 21:58                               ` ISA slot detection on PCI systems? Cameron Simpson
2002-01-03 21:15                             ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-03 21:26                               ` Dave Jones
2002-01-05  6:58                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-02 22:46                     ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-02 22:51                       ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 22:48                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 23:10                           ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03  2:10                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  2:44                               ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03  3:03                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  3:26                                   ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03  3:18                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  3:36                                       ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-03  3:35                                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  4:15                                           ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-03  4:15                                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  4:27                                               ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-03  4:30                                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  3:39                                       ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03  3:34                                   ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-03 14:37                                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-04  7:09                                     ` [OT] " Paul Duncan
2002-01-03 11:25                                   ` Henrik Hovi
2002-01-05  7:09                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-03 14:31                                   ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-03 15:00                                     ` Jesse Pollard [this message]
2002-01-03 15:15                                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-04 15:30                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-03  5:30                                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-03  5:42                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-03  5:55                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-03  5:46                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  9:14                                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03  9:09                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03 12:14                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 12:34                                       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 18:28                                         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-04 19:04                                           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 19:05                                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 19:21                                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 19:41                                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 20:09                                                   ` Dave Jones
2002-01-08 12:52                                                     ` Rob Landley
2002-01-04 20:19                                                   ` David Weinehall
2002-01-04 20:30                                                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-04 20:36                                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-05  7:12                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-04 20:20                                                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 20:44                                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 19:45                                               ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 19:50                                               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-04 19:54                                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 20:24                                                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-04 20:31                                                     ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 20:33                                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 20:56                                                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 20:57                                                         ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 20:49                                                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 21:08                                                             ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 20:59                                                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 21:18                                                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 21:23                                                                 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-01-05  0:13                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-04 21:17                                                               ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-04 21:04                                                         ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-05 17:28                                                         ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-04 19:36                                             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-04 19:45                                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 20:08                                                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-03 16:52                                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-03 17:01                                       ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 17:27                                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  9:24                                   ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03 14:12                               ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-03  3:07                             ` Greg Hennessy
2002-01-03  9:08                             ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03  9:03                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03 12:20                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 12:07                                   ` BALBIR SINGH
2002-01-03 12:40                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 21:44                                       ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-03 22:17                                         ` David Weinehall
2002-01-04 18:41                                           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-03 22:36                                         ` Alan Cox
2002-01-04 12:10                                         ` Alex
2002-01-04 12:20                                           ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 12:22                                             ` Alex
2002-01-04 12:30                                               ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 12:47                                                 ` Alex
2002-01-03 12:56                                   ` Urban Widmark
2002-01-03  9:19                               ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03  9:12                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  9:31                                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-02 23:15                           ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 23:07                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 23:33                               ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-02 23:37                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03  2:19                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  2:17                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 23:19                           ` Mike Castle
2002-01-02 23:23                           ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-02 23:44                             ` Mike Castle
2002-01-03  0:11                               ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-03  2:20                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03 10:34                           ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-03 14:42                             ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 15:39                             ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-05  7:05                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-05  6:56                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-03 13:00                 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-02 21:59               ` Mike Castle
2002-01-02 22:08             ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 21:22       ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 21:28 ` Christian Koenig
2002-01-02 22:04   ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-04  9:56 Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2002-01-04 10:29 ` Alan Cox

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