From: Bruce Harada <bruce@ask.ne.jp>
To: Rob Landley <landley@trommello.org>
Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:22:39 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020115112239.25e713e0.bruce@ask.ne.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020114234129.MGOI23959.femail47.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>
In-Reply-To: <20020114125228.B14747@thyrsus.com> <20020114173423.A23081@thyrsus.com> <20020115080218.7709cef7.bruce@ask.ne.jp> <20020114234129.MGOI23959.femail47.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:39:25 -0500
Rob Landley <landley@trommello.org> wrote:
> On Monday 14 January 2002 06:02 pm, Bruce Harada wrote:
> > On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:34:23 -0500
> >
> > Aunt Tillie just DOESN'T CARE, OK? She can talk to her vendor if she gets
> > worried about whether her kernel supports the Flangelistic2000
SuperDoodad.
>
> I think what Eric's REALLY going for is converting some of the Minesweeper
> Certified Solitaire Experts down at the corner store (and yes there are still
> corner computer stores in mini-malls around the country) over to The Penguin.
Er... if Eric were REALLY going for that, why didn't he use it as an example?
That might actually be a possible real-world situation, whereas all the ones
I've seen so far are so far removed from reality as to be pointless.
Let me put it this way: Requiring Aunt Tillie to configure/compile her kernel
is a *failure* on the part of the vendor. It doesn't matter whether Aunt
Tillie is really Aunt Tillie or your local MSCE. They should not have to do it.
As for adding a driver that's not included in the vendor's kernel, do you
mean that having a Microsoft-trained drone rebuild a kernel specifically for a
certain PC (thus requiring further compilation for any hardware added later)
and including a no-doubt beta driver and then giving it to Aunt Tillie without
any testing beyond the MCSE's PC is a *good* idea?
(I've trimmed the cc line a bit, BTW.)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-01-15 2:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-01-14 11:17 ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution Michael Lazarou (ETL)
2002-01-14 16:11 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 16:59 ` Eli Carter
2002-01-14 17:11 ` Wichert Akkerman
2002-01-14 17:52 ` Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution) Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 18:34 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 18:26 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 18:55 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-14 13:32 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 18:54 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 14:28 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 22:34 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 23:26 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 2:06 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-15 21:08 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 0:09 ` Mark Hahn
2002-01-15 9:14 ` Sean Hunter
2002-01-15 16:36 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 23:02 ` Bruce Harada
2002-01-14 15:39 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-15 0:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-15 2:22 ` Bruce Harada [this message]
2002-01-15 13:27 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-15 12:29 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-01-16 10:42 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 13:53 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-15 14:28 ` Bruce Harada
2002-01-15 17:04 ` Thomas Duffy
2002-01-15 18:19 ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 18:52 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-15 19:15 ` Manuel McLure
2002-01-15 19:28 ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 20:13 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-15 20:30 ` Manuel McLure
2002-01-15 20:41 ` arjanv
2002-01-15 20:56 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-15 21:27 ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 21:29 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 19:55 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 20:59 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-16 14:53 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-16 13:57 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-14 19:29 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-14 19:29 ` Eli Carter
2002-01-14 19:45 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 19:52 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-15 11:00 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-14 19:00 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 18:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 19:14 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 19:34 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-14 18:59 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-14 19:02 ` arjan
2002-01-14 19:50 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 13:01 ` gmack
2002-01-14 14:43 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 20:26 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-14 20:19 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 20:49 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 20:55 ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-14 21:21 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 11:40 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-14 20:37 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 20:38 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 22:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-14 22:18 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 22:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-14 22:18 ` Reid Hekman
2002-01-14 23:30 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-14 21:05 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-01-14 21:15 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 22:08 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 23:03 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 22:41 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 23:27 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 1:21 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-15 12:31 ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 22:17 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-15 23:22 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-16 10:49 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-15 11:53 ` T. A.
2002-01-15 13:53 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-14 20:30 ` Justin Carlson
2002-01-15 1:30 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-15 22:46 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-15 22:56 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-16 4:09 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 19:28 ` Ben Collins
2002-01-14 22:41 ` Tom Gilbert
2002-01-14 18:38 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 18:53 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-14 20:50 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2002-01-15 19:34 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 21:38 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-15 23:44 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-16 14:33 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-16 13:05 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-16 15:27 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 10:05 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-14 18:33 ` ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-14 23:02 ` Tom Gilbert
2002-01-14 18:58 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-01-14 21:08 Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution) Dave Jones
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[not found] ` <fa.hqe5uev.c60cjs@ifi.uio.no>
2002-01-15 13:00 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-01-15 13:57 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 14:02 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-01-16 10:56 ` Horst von Brand
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