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From: Rob Landley <landley@trommello.org>
To: esr@thyrsus.com
Cc: Linux-Kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:24:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020215212409.ECAS25763.femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020215122536.B8249@thyrsus.com> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0202151306160.25897-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> <20020215135557.B10961@thyrsus.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020215135557.B10961@thyrsus.com>

On Friday 15 February 2002 01:55 pm, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>:
> > > Neither Linus nor anyone else ever said to me "Eric, it's your job to
> > > make that change."  When I asked for guidance, Linus blackholed my
> > > mail.
> >
> > Oh!  Come and see the violence inherent in the system!
> > Help!  Help!  I'm being repressed!
>
> Your reply was pretty funny.  Well, I laughed anyway.
>
> But laughter won't make the chronic communications problems go away.

Speaking as a proud member of Al Viro's killfile (from one work account and 
one home accounts, each time for lkml postings he wasn't cc:'d on, which 
somehow set him off anyway), I really doubt he perceives lack of 
communication as much of a problem.  More of a solution. :)

Seeing a conspiracy in the existence of any posts to public mailing lists 
other than linux-kernel is, however, the kind of paranoia for which 
medication is prescribed.  (Would the reactionary front have preferred Eric 
email the various developers directly in a big CC:, instead of a posting to a 
PUBLIC LIST, which apparently Jeff DID find and highlighted?  I'd say the 
"help help this is being repressed" came at the start of this thread, not 
when Eric jumped in.)

And when did talking to Linus directly (in email or on the phone) become 
something that Linus needed to be protected from?  (Look out guys!  Some 
people are thinking of TALKING DIRECTLY TO LINUS!  Without consulting us 
first!  They must be found and stopped!)

And here I thought Linus was very good at saying no, in a multitude of 
contexts...

Rob

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-02-15 21:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-15 16:55 Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 16:51 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:25   ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 19:01     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:25   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 17:13     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:27   ` Tom Rini
2002-02-15 17:31   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 17:25     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 18:24       ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-15 18:55         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 19:29           ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-15 19:14             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 19:58               ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-15 19:54                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 20:38                   ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 20:45                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16  8:37                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 21:34                     ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 20:59                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:47                         ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 21:46                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:40                             ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 22:08                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:52                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16  9:50                                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-16  4:57                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16  7:41                                 ` Gerd Knorr
2002-02-16 12:36                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 14:10                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:44                             ` Rob Landley
2002-02-19  8:04                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19 21:13                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 20:42                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 20:39                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:15                       ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 20:58                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:49                           ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:04                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:41                               ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 23:26                               ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16  6:35                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 18:20                                   ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16  9:21                                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-02-16 13:57                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:21                                     ` Adam Kropelin
2002-02-16 14:51                                   ` David Woodhouse
2002-02-16 15:56                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16  5:12                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 22:19                           ` Cort Dougan
2002-02-16  8:33                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 14:53                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:55                               ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 22:09                         ` Richard Gooch
2002-02-15 21:50                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:27                             ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:19                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16  0:15                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-16 16:00                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:53                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17  0:05                                   ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-15 22:38                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 22:22                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 23:23                               ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 23:29                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 23:37                                   ` David Lang
2002-02-16  2:11                                   ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 23:36                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 23:51                                   ` David Lang
2002-02-16  0:49                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16  0:08                                   ` Ben Greear
2002-02-18  9:41                                   ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-18 16:07                                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-16  9:53                                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-16 13:04                                   ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16 15:53                                     ` Michal Jaegermann
2002-02-17 23:06                                       ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 22:41                             ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 23:37                             ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-16  1:14                               ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-16  1:59                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-16  2:08                                   ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-17  4:36                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-16  4:17                                   ` John Jasen
2002-02-16  4:20                                     ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-15 22:27                           ` yodaiken
2002-02-15 22:21                     ` Robert Love
2002-02-15 22:29                       ` That Linux Guy
2002-02-16  5:02                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 14:50                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:33                             ` CML2 feedback (was Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers) Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 16:06                             ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-16 16:08                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:37                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:34                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17  6:46                                   ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-02-16 18:29                                 ` Of Bundling, Dao and Cowardice Alexander Viro
2002-02-16 19:16                                   ` That Linux Guy <thatlinuxguy@hotmail.com>,Re: " Rik van Riel
2002-02-18 17:33                                   ` bill davidsen
2002-02-20 19:53                                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-02-16 22:29                                 ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Joel Becker
2002-02-17  0:05                               ` Rob Landley
2002-02-17  0:26                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17 23:10                               ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16  9:46                         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-15 22:08                   ` Robert Love
2002-02-15 22:28                     ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:11                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 23:07                         ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 15:54                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:38                             ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 16:22                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:52                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:10                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 16:50                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16  5:05                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 11:23                         ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16 14:52                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:36                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 15:52                             ` Possible breakthrough in the CML2 logjam? Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:34                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 16:57                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 17:29                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:32                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 19:01                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-17  0:57                                       ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-20  9:07                                         ` 'revolting' overemphasizes personal beliefs && religion bert hubert
2002-02-16 17:37                                   ` Possible breakthrough in the CML2 logjam? Larry McVoy
2002-02-16 17:16                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 17:48                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:50                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-18 10:06                                         ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-15 21:24           ` Rob Landley [this message]
2002-02-16  9:30           ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Martin Dalecki
2002-02-15 17:02 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-15 17:35   ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-15 18:00 ` Michael Alan Dorman
2002-02-15 18:16 Dan Kegel
     [not found] <fa.fs57c8v.pms19j@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.h6krj0v.ggg1hm@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-16  9:04   ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2002-02-17 17:59 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2002-02-17 22:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-18 21:04 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19  2:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-19 22:27 ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-20  1:02   ` Keith Moore
2002-02-18  4:20 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2002-02-18 15:15 SodaPop
2002-02-19  2:48 ` Daniel Phillips
     [not found] <fa.i4fkbuv.1k1iiqm@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.iuo8icv.19g8gre@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-19  7:55   ` Giacomo Catenazzi
     [not found] <fa.i8v9q2v.6g8h03@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.hhvfopv.1f70hqv@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-19  8:04   ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-02-19  8:13     ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-19  9:15     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-19 21:06       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-20 11:43     ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19 10:04 Greg Banks
     [not found] <fa.h0m1njv.tgmh9v@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-19 11:23 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-02-19 10:51   ` Greg Banks

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