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From: Jan Harkes <jaharkes@cs.cmu.edu>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Arch option to touch newly allocated pages
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:30:03 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020305173003.GA645@mentor.odyssey.cs.cmu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020304232806.A31622@redhat.com> <200203051443.JAA02119@ccure.karaya.com>
In-Reply-To: <200203051443.JAA02119@ccure.karaya.com>

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 09:43:39AM -0500, Jeff Dike wrote:
> bcrl@redhat.com said:
> > you only need to do the memsets once at  startup of UML where the ram
> > is allocated -> a uml booted with 64MB of  ram would write into every
> > page of the backing store file before even  running the kernel.
> > Doesn't that accomplish the same thing?
> 
> The other reason I don't like this is that, at some point, I'd like to
> start thinking about userspace cooperating with the kernel on memory
> management.  UML looks like a perfect place to start since it's essentially
> identical to the host making it easier for the two to bargain over memory.

I could use the same thing in Coda, we have large private memory
mappings that are backed by a file which isn't always up-to-date. But we
can make it so by applying the logged modifications. If there is some
'memory pressure' signal we could apply the log and remap the memory to
reduce swap usage.

On the other hand, applying the logged modifications generates a lot of
write activity which could push the system over the edge, so the current
method of having a large amount of swap available is probably more
reliable. Otherwise we'll get the whole OOM killer debate again (the
pre-OOM signaller?).

Jan


      parent reply	other threads:[~2002-03-05 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-03 21:12 Jeff Dike
2002-03-03 22:01 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-03 23:27   ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-03 23:48     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-04  3:16       ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-04  3:35         ` Alan Cox
2002-03-04  5:04           ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-04 15:09             ` Alan Cox
2002-03-04 17:42               ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-04 18:29                 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-04 18:36                   ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-04 18:49                     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-04 20:46                       ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-04 22:49                         ` Alan Cox
2002-03-04 17:46             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-04 18:34               ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-04 18:33                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-04 20:36                   ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-04 22:51                     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-05  4:15                       ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-05  4:28                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-03-05  4:40                           ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-05  5:34                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-05 14:43                               ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-05 16:37                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-05 18:12                                   ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-05 18:30                                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-03-06 14:59                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-06 15:24                                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-03-06 15:24                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-06 16:36                                             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-03-06 23:14                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-06 23:20                                                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-03-06 23:26                                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-06 23:33                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-07  0:08                                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-07  1:27                                                   ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-07  1:52                                                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-03-08 19:17                                                       ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-08 21:22                                                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-03-07 13:49                                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-07 13:36                                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-07 14:04                                                         ` yodaiken
2002-03-07 14:21                                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-07 14:38                                                             ` yodaiken
2002-03-07 15:31                                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-07 16:50                                                                 ` yodaiken
2002-03-07 18:07                                                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-07 18:15                                                                     ` yodaiken
2002-03-07 19:22                                                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-07 22:43                                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2002-03-07 23:09                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2002-03-07 22:57                                                                           ` David Woodhouse
2002-03-07 14:43                                                             ` Alan Cox
2002-03-07 15:32                                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-07 16:19                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-07 17:54                                                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-07 15:34                                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-07 19:18                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 20:10                                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 20:56                                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 21:23                                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 22:02                                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 22:10                                                                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 22:23                                                                             ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 22:27                                                                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 22:41                                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 22:42                                                                                 ` David Lang
2002-03-06 16:03                                         ` Jesse Pollard
2002-03-06 17:08                                           ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-06 17:33                                             ` Alan Cox
2002-03-07  0:28                                               ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-07  0:44                                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-05 18:46                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-06  1:30                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-06 10:49                                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-03-06 14:26                                       ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-06 16:50                                       ` Alan Cox
2002-03-06 20:25                                         ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-06 20:54                                           ` Alan Cox
2002-03-06 21:27                                             ` Malcolm Beattie
2002-03-06 23:26                                               ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-06 21:27                                           ` David Woodhouse
2002-03-06 22:25                                             ` Joseph Malicki
2002-03-07  0:28                                             ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-07  0:44                                               ` Alan Cox
2002-03-07  0:04                                           ` Richard Gooch
2002-03-06 22:21                                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-07 11:30                                           ` Dave Jones
2002-03-07 18:21                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-05 16:56                                 ` Wayne Whitney
2002-03-05 14:43                           ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-05 16:57                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-05 18:14                               ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-05 18:45                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-05 17:30                             ` Jan Harkes [this message]

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