From: Jeff Garzik <garzik@havoc.gtf.org>
To: "Jonathan A. George" <JGeorge@greshamstorage.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:58:50 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020422145850.F11216@havoc.gtf.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3CC4585F.4060005@greshamstorage.com>
On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 01:37:19PM -0500, Jonathan A. George wrote:
> The BK documentation constitutes an implicit advertisement and
> endorsement of a product with a license which to many developers
> violates the spirit of open source software.
Agreed.
And the simple fact of Linus using BitKeeper does the
_exact_ _same_ _thing_.
Talk Linus out of using BitKeeper, and sure, I'll remove the doc.
> This is not to say that BK
> is not an effective product, nor that the document in question is useful
> for people who choose the tool, but to me it seems comparable to
> including a closed source binary module in the kernel distribution.
No, it is not comparable at all with that. There are no license
problems with the document -- it is GPL'd.
It describes the same thing as Documentation/SubmittingPatches does, and
is very relevant to kernel development.
> Moving the document to the BK website would be nicer, and would
> certainly assauge bad feelings regarding such an integral implicit
> endorsement of a tool.
Removing the doc from the kernel sources would be a token gesture only.
Some developers disagree violently with the use of non-open-source tools
at all, and that is a fundamental disagreement.
The majority of the "silently seething" developers, I imagine, are only
gonna be satisfied when (a) BitKeeper is GPL'd or (b) Linus stops using
BitKeeper. Both of these seem very remote possibilities at present.
Jeff
P.S. The doc is _not_ going on the BK website by my hand. (though I
have given BitMover permission to post the doc whereever they wish)
I can maintain my own docs much better than Larry can :)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-04-22 18:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 183+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-04-22 18:37 Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 18:58 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2002-04-22 19:19 ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 19:51 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 19:56 ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 20:13 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 19:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 22:31 ` [PATCH] " Thunder from the hill
2002-04-22 22:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:53 ` [PATCH] " Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 19:47 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-22 19:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:13 ` Rik van Riel
[not found] <20020421101731.D10525@work.bitmover.com>
2002-04-21 17:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:26 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:21 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:36 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 19:07 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 14:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:38 ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 18:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 19:06 ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 14:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:30 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:47 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 20:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 22:04 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-21 20:22 ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-22 0:01 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 20:32 ` Jeff Garzik
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-19 15:12 Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 15:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:16 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 16:25 ` David Lang
2002-04-20 17:05 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-20 16:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 16:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 17:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-20 17:38 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 2:26 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 17:19 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 21:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 21:36 ` Skip Ford
2002-04-20 21:40 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-20 23:14 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 21:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 0:04 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-21 0:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 9:22 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 10:05 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 10:17 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 11:10 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 16:46 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 17:00 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:05 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 17:14 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 13:18 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-21 13:41 ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 16:50 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 17:18 ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 15:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:11 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 12:06 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-22 16:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-23 13:49 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 14:51 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 15:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 17:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 18:12 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:13 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 15:35 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:37 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 16:04 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 17:01 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 17:06 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:05 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 15:27 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-21 2:30 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 15:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 15:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 15:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 23:36 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-26 21:58 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-20 16:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 16:45 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:54 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-21 2:36 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 15:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:29 ` Nils Philippsen
2002-04-20 16:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 2:38 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 16:13 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-19 16:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:51 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-19 17:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 17:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 21:02 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 21:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 22:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 22:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 22:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 22:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 1:41 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-20 15:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 15:52 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 15:59 ` Russell King
2002-04-20 16:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:15 ` Russell King
2002-04-21 16:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:02 ` arjan
2002-04-20 22:30 ` Stelian Pop
2002-04-21 2:46 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 22:37 ` Russell King
2002-04-20 23:15 ` Kenneth Johansson
2002-04-20 17:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 1:38 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-04-21 15:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 22:00 ` Stevie O
2002-04-20 22:14 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 2:48 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 22:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:51 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-19 18:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:51 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-20 18:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:19 ` Dave Jones
2002-04-20 17:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-20 18:35 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-20 18:13 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-19 19:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 20:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 2:53 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 1:46 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 15:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:26 ` Tigran Aivazian
2002-04-20 16:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:27 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-20 16:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:45 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-20 17:41 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-19 18:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-19 18:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:44 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-19 19:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:48 ` Russell King
2002-04-19 19:19 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 2:57 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 2:56 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 3:46 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 3:43 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 15:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 9:28 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 15:53 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 18:11 ` John Alvord
2002-04-21 18:15 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 15:35 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:09 ` Daniel Phillips
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