From: Jos Hulzink <josh@stack.nl>
To: Adrian Bunk <bunk@fs.tum.de>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Szakacsits Szabolcs <szaka@sienet.hu>,
Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] strict VM overcommit
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:33:41 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020721162011.I69041-100000@turtle.stack.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.44.0207211438440.11656-100000@mimas.fachschaften.tu-muenchen.de>
On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On 21 Jul 2002, Alan Cox wrote:
>
> > I would suggest you do something quite different. Go and read what K&R
> > had to say about the design of Unix. One of the design goals of Unix is
> > that the system does not think it knows better than the administrator.
> > That is one of the reasons unix works well and is so flexible.
>
> The problem is that at the time K&R said this only real men (tm) were
> administrators of UNIX systems. Nowadays clueless people like me are
> administrators of their Linux system at home. ;-)
>
> With enough stupidity root can always trash his system but if as Robert
> says the state of the system will be that "no allocations will succeed"
> which seems to be a synonymous for "the system is practically dead" it is
> IMHO a good idea to let "swapoff -a return -ENOMEM".
>
Maybe it is an option to add the --I_know_Im_stupid option to the swapoff
command line ? (Also known as the --force flag). This way we can both
return an error when the OS lacks memory and force a swapoff.
Agreed, the system is practically dead when no allocations will succeed,
but maybe killing user tasks when root needs memory or something is an
option... (Better a few angry users than a crashed server, besides, it is
not something that should happen every day)
Jos
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-07-21 14:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-07-11 22:28 Robert Love
2002-07-12 17:30 ` [PATCH] strict VM overcommit for stock 2.4 Robert Love
2002-07-18 15:22 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2002-07-18 16:31 ` Robert Love
2002-07-18 16:36 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2002-07-18 17:42 ` Robert Love
2002-07-18 17:25 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2002-07-18 17:31 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2002-07-18 18:32 ` Robert Love
2002-07-18 19:58 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-18 18:01 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2002-07-18 18:52 ` Robert Love
2002-07-18 20:52 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-19 6:17 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2002-07-18 22:22 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-19 7:47 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2002-07-18 18:28 ` Robert Love
2002-07-18 17:50 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2002-07-18 19:25 ` stoffel
2002-07-19 5:52 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2002-07-18 18:56 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-18 19:03 ` Robert Love
2002-07-18 19:19 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-18 19:22 ` Robert Love
2002-07-18 20:49 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-18 19:10 ` Robert Love
2002-07-18 19:35 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-18 19:41 ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2002-07-18 20:23 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-18 20:43 ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2002-07-19 7:30 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2002-07-19 18:06 ` Robert Love
2002-07-18 22:24 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-18 22:30 ` Robert Love
2002-07-18 22:08 ` [PATCH] strict VM overcommit Adrian Bunk
2002-07-18 22:27 ` Robert Love
2002-07-19 11:02 ` Adrian Bunk
2002-07-20 0:32 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-21 9:10 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2002-07-21 13:32 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-21 12:46 ` Adrian Bunk
2002-07-21 14:33 ` Jos Hulzink [this message]
2002-07-22 0:43 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-21 16:46 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-21 15:23 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2002-07-21 19:01 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-22 8:08 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2002-07-22 13:00 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-22 12:45 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-07-22 14:01 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-22 1:12 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-22 8:03 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2002-07-22 10:23 ` Thunder from the hill
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