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From: Hubertus Franke <frankeh@watson.ibm.com>
To: Andries Brouwer <aebr@win.tue.nl>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>,
	Paul Larson <plars@austin.ibm.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	andrea@suse.de, gh@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Analysis for Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid(), comparing various approaches
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:14:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200208091414.58353.frankeh@watson.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020809153615.GA1062@win.tue.nl>

On Friday 09 August 2002 11:36 am, Andries Brouwer wrote:

!!!!!!!!!!! You are in a different space !!!!!!!!
All work was done under the assumption of 16-bit pid_t.
I stated yesterday already that for NumTasks substantially smaller
than the pid_t supported size, this won't be a problem
as your analysis states and my data also states.

You have two choices 
(a) move Linux up to 32-bit pid_t
(b) stick within the current 16-bit discussion.

> On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 07:22:08AM -0400, Hubertus Franke wrote:
> > Particulary for large number of tasks, this can lead to frequent exercise
> > of the repeat resulting in a O(N^2) algorithm. We call this : <algo-0>.
>
> Your math is flawed. The O(N^2) happens only when the name space for pid's
> has the same order of magnitude as the number N of processes.
> Now consider N=100000 with 31-bit name space. In a series of
> 2.10^9 forks you have to do the loop fewer than N times and
> N^2 / 2.10^9 = 5. You see that on average for each fork there
> are 5 comparisons.
> For N=1000000 you rearrange the task list as I described yesterday
> so that each loop takes time sqrt(N), and altogether N.sqrt(N)
> comparisons are needed in a series of 2.10^9 forks.
> That is 0.5 comparisons per fork.
>
> You see that thanks to the large pid space things get really
> efficient. Ugly constructions are only needed when a large fraction
> of all possible pids is actually in use, or when you need hard
> real time guarantees.
>
> Andries


-- 
-- Hubertus Franke  (frankeh@watson.ibm.com)

  reply	other threads:[~2002-08-09 18:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-07 22:03 [PATCH] Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid() Paul Larson
2002-08-07 23:06 ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-08  0:24   ` Andries Brouwer
2002-08-08 19:42     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-08-08 20:47       ` Andries Brouwer
2002-08-09 11:22     ` Analysis for Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid(), comparing various approaches Hubertus Franke
2002-08-09 15:36       ` Andries Brouwer
2002-08-09 18:14         ` Hubertus Franke [this message]
2002-08-09 16:05       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 18:18         ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-08 20:24   ` [PATCH] Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid() Linus Torvalds
2002-08-08 21:30     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-08 21:45     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-08-09  4:42     ` William Lee Irwin III

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