From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:32:58 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:32:58 -0400 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net ([207.115.63.77]:40185 "EHLO pimout1-ext.prodigy.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:32:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200209161437.g8GEbp2f288692@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Rob Landley To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 05:37:44 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <200209160236.g8G2a6Qn022070@pimout3-ext.prodigy.net> <20020916095004.3ae2b901.spyro@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <20020916095004.3ae2b901.spyro@f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Monday 16 September 2002 04:50 am, Ian Molton wrote: > On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 17:35:59 -0400 > > Rob Landley wrote: > > I think we agree. So why recommend against debuggers if they save > > time and effort while producing patches of equal quality? > > I think the point here is that debuggers are not for everyone. They are > a tool, in much the same way as an adjustable wrench is. I prefer a set > of spanners. > > Is there anything wrong with NOT wanting to use a debugger? really? I don't want to use reiserfs. I'm not lobbying to keep it out of the kernel for the significant number of people who do want it. It's Linus's final call, and now we can fake 95% of the same functionality by attaching userspace debuggers to UML, so... Rob