From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:14:28 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:14:28 -0400 Received: from 2-225.ctame701-1.telepar.net.br ([200.193.160.225]:43988 "EHLO 2-225.ctame701-1.telepar.net.br") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:14:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:19:56 -0300 (BRT) From: Rik van Riel X-X-Sender: riel@imladris.surriel.com To: Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net cc: nico@cam.org, , , , , Subject: RE:Re: New BK License Problem? In-Reply-To: <0066647102107a2DTVMAIL10@smtp.cwctv.net> Message-ID: X-spambait: aardvark@kernelnewbies.org X-spammeplease: aardvark@nl.linux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net wrote: > Whats the point of switching licences, YOU CAN make money from support, > Mandrake makes a mint. If they can, surely you can, too? And surely the subversion people would be swimming in money now, from all the support contracts they've been doing. Also look at those huge profits being made by all those open source companies. Hint: if the support model worked for source control software, surely somebody would have gotten rich off it already ? regards, Rik -- Bravely reimplemented by the knights who say "NIH". http://www.surriel.com/ http://distro.conectiva.com/ Current spamtrap: october@surriel.com From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:07:57 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:07:56 -0400 Received: from smtp-outbound.cwctv.net ([213.104.18.10]:20529 "EHLO smtp.cwctv.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:07:55 -0400 From: To: nico@cam.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, pavel@suse.cz, drepper@redhat.com, lm@bitmover.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:12:05 +0100 Subject: RE:Re: New BK License Problem? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Liberate TVMail 2.6 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1034025125273" Message-ID: <0066647102107a2DTVMAIL10@smtp.cwctv.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --1034025125273 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whats the point of switching licences, YOU CAN make money from support, Mandrake makes a mint. Cheers, Dean. On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Nicolas Pitre wrote: --1034025125273 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.116.70.75]) by smtp.cwctv.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:00:21 +0100 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:18:33 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:18:33 -0400 Received: from modemcable166.48-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca ([24.200.48.166]:42116 "EHLO xanadu.home") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:18:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (nico@localhost) by xanadu.home (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g97KO0s22196; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:24:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: xanadu.home: nico owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:24:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Pitre X-X-Sender: nico@xanadu.home To: Alan Cox cc: Pavel Machek , Ulrich Drepper , Larry McVoy , lkml Subject: Re: New BK License Problem? In-Reply-To: <1034021987.26503.24.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: linux-kernel-owner+Hell.Surfers=40cwctv.net@vger.kernel.org On 7 Oct 2002, Alan Cox wrote: > On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 20:06, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > > If BK migrates to proprietary format everybody will notice and you'll still > > have the opportunity to rescue a not too old repository and carry on with > > life using whatever alternate SCM you wish. If such a thing happened Lary > > would be publicly and universally discredited and he's not looking for that > > I'm sure. > > If BK migrates to a proprietary format the code won't be in the > preferred form of the work for making modifications. Because you think BK will still have the backing of all kernel developers using it today if that happens? Some might find BK's nice to use despite its license, but locking the main kernel repository into a proprietary format is totally unacceptable for most if not all of them I'm sure. That's why Larry won't go that route or he'll lose the Linux kernel user base right away. Nicolas - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ --1034025125273-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:34:43 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:34:35 -0400 Received: from iml104.datareturn.com ([216.46.230.105]:15631 "EHLO sportvision.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:34:03 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Roberto Peon Reply-To: robertopeon@sportvision.com Organization: Sportvision Inc. To: Rik van Riel Subject: Re: Re: New BK License Problem? Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:30:44 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 Cc: Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net, , , , , , References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Message-Id: <200210081130.44639.robertopeon@sportvision.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tuesday 08 October 2002 11:32 am, Rik van Riel wrote: > On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Roberto Peon wrote: > > Good thing Linus was attached to the "Its amazing what you can do when > > you don't know you can't do it" philosophy instead of the "If it could > > have been done, it would have been done" POS philosophy. > > It all depends on how much risk you want to take and how > much you have to lose. > > If all you can lose is some of your own time and energy > there's nothing wrong with attempting something where > everybody else has failed over the last 15 years. > > On the other hand, I wouldn't take that risk if I were > running a business and had to make money to live... I agree with this. The only thing I was disagreed with was your statement which basically came down to: If it could have been done, it would have been done. Hell, the risks of starting up an open-source/service based company *are* high, which is precisely why I won't try to start one up anytime in the immediate future. -Roberto JP robertopeon@sportvision.com From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:19:01 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:19:01 -0400 Received: from iml104.datareturn.com ([216.46.230.105]:38158 "EHLO sportvision.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:18:02 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Roberto Peon Reply-To: robertopeon@sportvision.com Organization: Sportvision Inc. To: Rik van Riel , Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net Subject: Re: Re: New BK License Problem? Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:14:03 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 Cc: nico@cam.org, , , , , References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Message-Id: <200210081114.03483.robertopeon@sportvision.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Monday 07 October 2002 02:19 pm, Rik van Riel wrote: > On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net wrote: > > Whats the point of switching licences, YOU CAN make money from support, > > Mandrake makes a mint. > > If they can, surely you can, too? And surely the subversion people > would be swimming in money now, from all the support contracts they've > been doing. Also look at those huge profits being made by all those > open source companies. Good point, however: > Hint: if the support model worked for source control software, > surely somebody would have gotten rich off it already ? Eh? huh? Good thing Linus was attached to the "Its amazing what you can do when you don't know you can't do it" philosophy instead of the "If it could have been done, it would have been done" POS philosophy. e.g: I find a 100$ note on the ground. I don't pick it up since: If it existed, someone would have already picked it up. -Roberto JP robertopeon@sportvision.com From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:26:44 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:26:44 -0400 Received: from perninha.conectiva.com.br ([200.250.58.156]:40347 "EHLO perninha.conectiva.com.br") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:26:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:32:06 -0300 (BRT) From: Rik van Riel X-X-Sender: riel@duckman.distro.conectiva To: Roberto Peon Cc: Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net, , , , , , Subject: Re: Re: New BK License Problem? In-Reply-To: <200210081114.03483.robertopeon@sportvision.com> Message-ID: X-spambait: aardvark@kernelnewbies.org X-spammeplease: aardvark@nl.linux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Roberto Peon wrote: > Good thing Linus was attached to the "Its amazing what you can do when > you don't know you can't do it" philosophy instead of the "If it could > have been done, it would have been done" POS philosophy. It all depends on how much risk you want to take and how much you have to lose. If all you can lose is some of your own time and energy there's nothing wrong with attempting something where everybody else has failed over the last 15 years. On the other hand, I wouldn't take that risk if I were running a business and had to make money to live... regards, Rik -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? http://www.surriel.com/ http://distro.conectiva.com/ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:48:18 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:47:16 -0400 Received: from iml104.datareturn.com ([216.46.230.105]:32524 "EHLO sportvision.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:45:51 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Roberto Peon Reply-To: robertopeon@sportvision.com Organization: Sportvision Inc. To: Rik van Riel Subject: Re: Re: New BK License Problem? Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:16:41 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 Cc: References: <200210081130.44639.robertopeon@sportvision.com> In-Reply-To: <200210081130.44639.robertopeon@sportvision.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Message-Id: <200210081216.41988.robertopeon@sportvision.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org "I was disagreed with"? should have been: "I disagreed with" Seems I should proofread a bit more, hmm? -Roberto JP robertopeon@sportvision.com From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:14:18 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:13:57 -0400 Received: from smtp-outbound.cwctv.net ([213.104.18.10]:61757 "EHLO smtp.cwctv.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:13:15 -0400 From: To: riel@conectiva.com.br, robertopeon@sportvision.com, nico@cam.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, pavel@suse.cz, drepper@redhat.com, lm@bitmover.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:18:19 +0100 Subject: RE= New BK License Problem? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Liberate TVMail 2.6 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1034115499263" Message-ID: <0250139162208a2DTVMAIL7@smtp.cwctv.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --1034115499263 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit doesnt stop them from flogging boxed copies... Cheers, Dean. On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:32:06 -0300 (BRT) Rik van Riel wrote: --1034115499263 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from perninha.conectiva.com.br ([200.250.58.156]) by smtp.cwctv.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:30:46 +0100 Received: from burns.conectiva (burns.conectiva [10.0.0.4]) by perninha.conectiva.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id 47F37474EA for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:32:23 -0300 (BRT) Received: (qmail 10408 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2002 18:33:36 -0000 Received: from duckman.distro.conectiva (10.0.17.2) by burns.conectiva with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 18:33:36 -0000 Received: (from localhost user: 'riel', uid#500) by duckman.distro.conectiva with ESMTP id ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:32:10 -0300 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:32:06 -0300 (BRT) Sender: Rik van Riel From: Rik van Riel X-X-Sender: riel@duckman.distro.conectiva To: Roberto Peon Cc: Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net, , , , , , Subject: Re: Re: New BK License Problem? In-Reply-To: <200210081114.03483.robertopeon@sportvision.com> Message-ID: X-spambait: aardvark@kernelnewbies.org X-spammeplease: aardvark@nl.linux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Return-Path: riel@conectiva.com.br On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Roberto Peon wrote: > Good thing Linus was attached to the "Its amazing what you can do when > you don't know you can't do it" philosophy instead of the "If it could > have been done, it would have been done" POS philosophy. It all depends on how much risk you want to take and how much you have to lose. If all you can lose is some of your own time and energy there's nothing wrong with attempting something where everybody else has failed over the last 15 years. On the other hand, I wouldn't take that risk if I were running a business and had to make money to live... regards, Rik -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? http://www.surriel.com/ http://distro.conectiva.com/ --1034115499263--