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From: Mark Mielke <mark@mark.mielke.cc>
To: "Charles 'Buck' Krasic" <krasic@acm.org>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-aio <linux-aio@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: epoll (was Re: [PATCH] async poll for 2.5)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:22:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021022172244.GA1314@mark.mielke.cc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xu4y98utnn7.fsf@brittany.cse.ogi.edu>

On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 09:10:52AM -0700, Charles 'Buck' Krasic wrote:
> Mark Mielke <mark@mark.mielke.cc> writes:
> > They still represent an excessive complicated model that attempts to
> > implement /dev/epoll the same way that one would implement poll()/select().
> epoll is about fixing one aspect of an otherwise well established api.
> That is, fixing the scalability of poll()/select() for applications
> based on non-blocking sockets.

epoll is not a poll()/select() enhancement (unless it is used in
conjuction with poll()/select()). It is a poll()/select()
replacement.

Meaning... purposefully creating an API that is designed the way one
would design a poll()/select() loop is purposefully limiting the benefits
of /dev/epoll.

It's like inventing a power drill to replace the common screw driver,
but rather than plugging the power drill in, manually turning the
drill as if it was a socket wrench for the drill bit.

I find it an excercise in self defeat... except that /dev/epoll used the
same way one would use poll()/select() happens to perform better even
when it is crippled.

mark

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  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-22 17:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-14 22:36 [PATCH] async poll for 2.5 Shailabh Nagar
2002-10-14 22:54 ` John Myers
2002-10-15 15:05 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-15 17:06   ` Dan Kegel
2002-10-15 17:03     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-15 17:18       ` Dan Kegel
2002-10-16  2:11         ` Lincoln Dale
2002-10-15 18:09     ` Shailabh Nagar
2002-10-15 18:53       ` Dan Kegel
2002-10-15 18:57         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-15 20:25           ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-15 21:09             ` Dan Kegel
2002-10-15 21:50               ` John Myers
2002-10-15 22:33                 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-15 22:56                   ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-15 23:23                     ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-16 19:16                       ` John Myers
2002-10-15 21:11             ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-15 22:01               ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-15 22:27                 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-15 22:36                   ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-15 22:41                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-15 23:26                       ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-15 23:05                     ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-15 23:33                       ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-16  0:05                         ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-16  0:15                           ` John Myers
2002-10-16 14:25                             ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-16 18:15                               ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-16 19:20                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-16 23:31                                   ` epoll (was Re: [PATCH] async poll for 2.5) John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-16 23:51                                     ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-17 18:06                                       ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-17 18:33                                         ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-18 19:02                                           ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-18 19:52                                             ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-19  0:55                                               ` John Myers
2002-10-19  5:40                                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-19  6:59                                                 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-19 17:26                                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-19 17:48                                                   ` Dan Kegel
2002-10-19 18:52                                                     ` Charles 'Buck' Krasic
2002-10-19 20:18                                                       ` Charles 'Buck' Krasic
2002-10-19 21:08                                                         ` Dan Kegel
2002-10-22 19:35                                                     ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-22 20:06                                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-22 21:54                                                         ` Erich Nahum
2002-10-22 22:17                                                           ` Dan Kegel
2002-10-22 22:25                                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-18 21:01                                             ` Charles 'Buck' Krasic
2002-10-18 21:33                                               ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-19  1:05                                               ` John Myers
2002-10-19  1:27                                                 ` Tervel Atanassov
2002-10-19 18:52                                                   ` John G. Myers
2002-10-19  4:07                                                 ` Charles 'Buck' Krasic
2002-10-16 20:06                                 ` [PATCH] async poll for 2.5 Mark Mielke
2002-10-16 23:48                                   ` epoll (was Re: [PATCH] async poll for 2.5) John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-17  0:23                                     ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-17 17:45                                       ` John Myers
2002-10-16  2:45                         ` [PATCH] async poll for 2.5 Charles 'Buck' Krasic
2002-10-16 14:28                           ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-17 18:47                             ` Charles 'Buck' Krasic
2002-10-17 19:20                               ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-18  3:30                               ` Dan Kegel
2002-10-16 18:29                           ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-16 20:39                             ` Charles 'Buck' Krasic
2002-10-17 17:59                               ` epoll (was Re: [PATCH] async poll for 2.5) John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-21 16:58                             ` [PATCH] async poll for 2.5 Alan Cox
2002-10-21 16:50                               ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-16 19:59                     ` Dan Kegel
2002-10-16 20:03                 ` Dan Kegel
2002-10-17 17:43                   ` epoll (was Re: [PATCH] async poll for 2.5) John Myers
2002-10-18 17:00                     ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-18 17:28                       ` Dan Kegel
2002-10-18 17:41                         ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-18 18:55                           ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-18 19:16                             ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-19  6:56                               ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-19 16:10                                 ` Charles 'Buck' Krasic
2002-10-22 17:22                                   ` Mark Mielke [this message]
2002-10-22 17:46                                     ` Dan Kegel
2002-10-22 17:47                                     ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-22 18:13                                       ` Alan Cox
2002-10-22 18:18                                         ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-22 18:37                                           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 19:22                                             ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-22 19:28                                               ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 19:50                                                 ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-22 20:00                                                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 20:23                                                     ` async poll John Myers
2002-10-23 11:10                                                     ` Latest aio code (was Re: [PATCH] async poll for 2.5) Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-10-22 19:49                                             ` epoll " Davide Libenzi
2002-10-22 18:42                                     ` Charles 'Buck' Krasic
2002-10-22 19:35                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-23 16:49                                         ` Dan Kegel
2002-10-23 17:39                                           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-23 18:47                                             ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-23 21:18                                               ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-23 21:35                                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-23 21:39                                                   ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-23 21:54                                                     ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-23 17:49                                           ` Charles 'Buck' Krasic
2002-10-23 18:14                                             ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-23 18:32                                               ` Charles 'Buck' Krasic
2002-10-23 20:36                                               ` async poll John Myers
2002-10-23 20:57                                                 ` Dan Kegel
2002-10-23 21:23                                                   ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-23 21:51                                                     ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-23 21:51                                                       ` bert hubert
2002-10-23 22:10                                                         ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-23 21:54                                                       ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-23 22:22                                                         ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-23 22:29                                                           ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-23 22:50                                                             ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-24  7:32                                                               ` Eduardo Pérez
2002-10-24 15:05                                                                 ` Charles 'Buck' Krasic
2002-10-23 22:24                                                     ` Dan Kegel
2002-10-23 22:30                                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-23 22:53                                                         ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-23 21:13                                                 ` Charles 'Buck' Krasic
2002-10-19 17:19                                 ` epoll (was Re: [PATCH] async poll for 2.5) Davide Libenzi
2002-10-18 18:55                       ` Chris Friesen
2002-10-18 19:00                         ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-15 17:38   ` [PATCH] async poll for 2.5 Shailabh Nagar
2002-10-15 17:50     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-15 18:16       ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-15 18:18         ` Shailabh Nagar
2002-10-15 19:00           ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-15 19:02             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-15 18:59               ` Shailabh Nagar
2002-10-15 19:16               ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-15 19:12                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-15 19:31                   ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-15 19:38                     ` Dan Kegel
2002-10-15 19:55                       ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-15 20:36                   ` John Gardiner Myers
2002-10-15 20:39                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-15 19:02           ` Davide Libenzi

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