From: Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Dax Kelson <dax@gurulabs.com>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
davej@suse.de
Subject: Re: Filesystem Capabilities in 2.6?
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:43:44 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021102234344.I2599@almesberger.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1036286840.18289.2.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk>; from alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk on Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 01:27:20AM +0000
Alan Cox wrote:
> anywhere near it. One thing Unix actually got right from the beginning
> is that rights belong to objects not to names. Name based labelling has
> never worked in or out of computing.
I think the most important aspects are always that the concept is
understandable, doesn't make the users to jump through hoops, and
doesn't violate the principle of least surprise too often.
> What you are suggesting is the equivalent of marking documents 'secret'
> by putting them in a specific drawer and hoping nobody ever misfiles it.
> Everyone instead writes "secret" on the document - guess why
This happens if you have a design that is based on taking away
privileges/rights/capabilities/power/whatever. If the "naked"
object has no special powers, misfiling it does no damage at all.
Of course, you want to make sure nothing else can be slipped into
that magic drawer. Just imagine somebody takes the GPL from The
Drawer of World Domination, and puts the Windows EULA there :-)
- Werner
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-11-03 2:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-11-01 8:49 Rusty's Remarkably Unreliable List of Pending 2.6 Features Rusty Russell
2002-11-01 16:19 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-11-02 6:32 ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-01 18:32 ` Filesystem Capabilities in 2.6? Dax Kelson
2002-11-01 19:05 ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-11-01 22:07 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-01 23:25 ` Jan Harkes
2002-11-04 17:51 ` Mark H. Wood
2002-11-01 22:07 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-01 22:59 ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-02 13:41 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-02 7:06 ` Theodore Ts'o
2002-11-02 13:38 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-02 18:18 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-02 22:57 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-02 18:35 ` Dax Kelson
2002-11-06 1:07 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-02 18:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-02 23:02 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-02 23:11 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-11-03 0:18 ` Rik van Riel
2002-11-03 0:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03 0:43 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 0:52 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-04 13:02 ` Pavel Machek
2002-11-03 0:47 ` Rik van Riel
2002-11-03 1:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03 1:05 ` David D. Hagood
2002-11-03 2:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03 13:55 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-05 8:47 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-11-05 10:50 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-03 1:27 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 2:43 ` Werner Almesberger [this message]
2002-11-03 12:46 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 0:56 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-03 2:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03 2:21 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 3:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03 3:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03 4:28 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 13:03 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 14:51 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 16:50 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 16:56 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 16:56 ` yodaiken
2002-11-03 18:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03 18:25 ` yodaiken
2002-11-03 18:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-04 0:40 ` Rik van Riel
2002-11-03 7:36 ` Hacksaw
2002-11-03 8:59 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-11-03 10:50 ` Hacksaw
2002-11-04 8:55 ` Rando Christensen
2002-11-03 12:57 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 15:20 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-03 16:30 ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2002-11-03 16:40 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-03 17:10 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-09 20:11 ` Pavel Machek
2002-11-10 22:50 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-03 13:55 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-03 3:50 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-11-03 4:00 ` Dax Kelson
2002-11-03 4:10 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-11-03 13:55 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-03 4:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03 4:37 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 4:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03 5:09 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 5:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03 6:37 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 7:16 ` Dax Kelson
2002-11-03 9:18 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 20:35 ` Michal Jaegermann
2002-11-04 9:25 ` Antti Salmela
2002-11-04 12:24 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-04 14:39 ` Theodore Ts'o
2002-11-04 15:13 ` Jesse Pollard
2002-11-03 5:03 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-11-03 5:25 ` Dax Kelson
2002-11-03 5:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03 6:46 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 12:53 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 13:52 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-03 14:38 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 16:01 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-03 16:09 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 12:51 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 21:02 ` Ryan Anderson
2002-11-03 3:36 ` [REPORT] current use of capabilities Dax Kelson
2002-11-03 13:57 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-05 12:14 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2002-11-03 4:04 ` Filesystem Capabilities in 2.6? Dax Kelson
2002-11-03 4:10 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 5:31 ` Erik Andersen
2002-11-03 5:37 ` Dax Kelson
2002-11-03 5:42 ` Erik Andersen
2002-11-03 6:07 ` Dax Kelson
2002-11-03 22:24 ` Anders Gustafsson
2002-11-03 15:13 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-03 12:45 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 15:49 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-04 15:00 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-04 15:51 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-04 16:53 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-04 17:23 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-03 13:30 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-03 15:11 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-04 2:49 ` Jan Harkes
2002-11-04 14:50 ` Theodore Ts'o
2002-11-04 15:33 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-04 20:35 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-11-04 21:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-04 14:58 ` Jesse Pollard
2002-11-05 23:47 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-06 13:36 ` Jesse Pollard
2002-11-05 4:14 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2002-11-05 14:48 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-05 15:05 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2002-11-03 0:31 Albert D. Cahalan
2002-11-03 3:15 ` john slee
2002-11-06 0:00 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-05 0:11 Tom Reinhart
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