From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Is the BitKeeper network protocol documented?
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 05:10:12 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030118051012.GA18720@bjl1.asuk.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030118045719.AAA8414@shell.webmaster.com@whenever>
David Schwartz wrote:
> I'm starting to think that one cannot legally use BitKeeper as the
> preferred means of developing a GPLed program. The problem is, the
> GPL defines the source as the preferred base to modify the software
> from and requires you to be able to distribute the source without any
> additional licensing requirements.
It doesn't require that you distribute the tools for editing the
source, though. For example I believe it is fine to distribute a
program for Microsoft Visual Studio, in the form of the files you
would actually use with Visual Studio, even though the format of some
of those files is not documented.
> Providing the source in BK form without BK is as useless as
> providing it encrypted. Providing it in any other form does not
> satisfy the GPL (assuming that BK form is in fact the preferred way
> of modifying it).
I disagree, because the BK file format is actually quite well
documented - it is SCCS with some annotations that do not seem
essential if you are using a different tool.
The data is easily extracted using an SCCS-compatible tool. It is
certainly not encrypted, and I had no difficulty writing a Perl script
to extract any version of the source, although I have yet to look if
changesets are so easy as individual files.
Credit to Larry, for choosing an easily read file format.
(Although not perfectly - see the CSSC documentation for some things
that they are not sure how to decode in an SCCS file - and yes, those
do appear in BK-generated SCCS files from time to time).
> If BitKeeper is the version management tool, then BitKeeper is part
> of the source by this definition.
Linus and other people have said repeatedly that BitKeeper is _not_
essential to working with them on the kernel.
That said, it does seem that if you can't read bkbits.net, then you
are at a disadvantage sometimes.
-- Jamie
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-01-18 5:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-01-18 4:33 Jamie Lokier
2003-01-18 4:57 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-18 5:10 ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2003-01-18 7:23 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-18 7:54 ` [OFFTOPIC] Is the repository of a GPL'd program itself under the GPL? Jamie Lokier
2003-01-20 0:50 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-18 5:02 ` Is the BitKeeper network protocol documented? Andrew Morton
2003-01-18 5:15 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-01-18 5:29 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-18 6:11 ` Tupshin Harper
2003-01-18 6:20 ` Kevin Puetz
2003-01-18 6:39 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-18 8:09 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-01-18 8:25 ` Andrew Morton
2003-01-18 14:22 ` Roman Zippel
2003-01-19 18:39 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-01-19 18:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-01-19 21:50 ` Roman Zippel
2003-01-19 23:26 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-01-19 23:57 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-20 0:20 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-01-20 0:38 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-20 15:52 ` Horst von Brand
2003-01-20 19:43 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-20 19:46 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-21 7:56 ` Horst von Brand
2003-01-20 14:18 ` Roman Zippel
2003-01-22 12:24 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-18 6:22 Jamie Lokier
[not found] <20030119235742.AAA13049%shell.webmaster.com@whenever>
2003-01-20 0:36 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-20 1:05 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-20 14:28 ` Dana Lacoste
2003-01-20 19:00 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-20 19:31 ` David Lang
2003-01-20 20:19 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-20 20:40 ` John Bradford
2003-01-20 20:48 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-01-20 21:14 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-20 21:58 ` John Bradford
2003-01-20 21:37 ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-01-20 21:41 ` Rik van Riel
2003-01-21 16:04 ` Dana Lacoste
2003-01-21 18:34 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-21 18:49 ` John Bradford
2003-01-21 18:58 ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-01-21 19:27 ` Dana Lacoste
2003-01-21 21:04 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-21 19:51 ` Hua Zhong
2003-01-22 7:10 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-01-22 7:21 ` John Alvord
2003-01-22 15:18 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-22 15:27 ` Dana Lacoste
2003-01-22 15:38 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-20 1:46 ` David Lang
2003-01-20 1:52 ` Andre Hedrick
[not found] <20030120010504.AAA18836%shell.webmaster.com@whenever>
2003-01-20 1:37 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-20 15:55 Theodore Ts'o
2003-01-20 18:53 ` David Schwartz
[not found] <20030120194430.AAA20700%shell.webmaster.com@whenever>
2003-01-20 20:32 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-20 21:27 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-21 8:51 ` Horst von Brand
2003-01-21 0:28 Cort Dougan
2003-01-21 19:22 Larry McVoy
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