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From: bert hubert <ahu@ds9a.nl>
To: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Hanna Linder <hannal@us.ibm.com>,
	Janet Morgan <janetmor@us.ibm.com>,
	Marius Aamodt Eriksen <marius@citi.umich.edu>,
	Shailabh Nagar <nagar@watson.ibm.com>,
	Niels Provos <provos@citi.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [patch, rfc] lt-epoll ( level triggered epoll ) ...
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:05:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030312120539.GA25626@outpost.ds9a.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0303111015370.1855-100000@blue1.dev.mcafeelabs.com>

On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 10:20:38AM -0800, Davide Libenzi wrote:

> > Most programs will not abandon 'legacy' interfaces like poll and select and
> > will only want to offer epoll in addition. Right now that is hard to do.
> 
> I agree here. It took 15 minutes to port thttpd to LT epoll.

Having level ability will massively speed up epoll adoption. By the way, was
there a reason to go to edge in the first place? 

> I received a bunch of private emails ( ppl that are using ET epoll )
> asking me to have both behaviours. The code require no more than 10 lines
> of code to give both possibilities. We have two options in doing that :

Impressive. 

> We add a parameter to epoll_create() that will set the interface behaviour
> at creation time :
...
> We can go at fd granularity by leaving the API the same, and we define :
> 	#define EPOLLET (1 << 31)

This last option would retain the current ABI *and* semantics for unchanged
programs. I do wonder if there is a case where you'd want to run in mixed
mode, however. But if the code to support mixed operation is truly trivial,
I think we should not set policy from the kernel ('only do epoll in one
mode') and leave it up to userspace to discover if there is a use for this.

Anyhow, as a member of the kCowSay [1] association of userspace people
meddling in the affairs of kernel coders, I vote strongly for having level
triggered epoll on the kernel, with the ability to do mixed mode.

Regards,

bert

[1] Founded by John Levon on the assumption that kernel coders assume all
    userspace code to be trivial, so we should have a massively trivial
    name. kCowSay tries to educate kernel deities about the needs of us
    userspace dwellers.

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-03-12 11:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-03-10 20:15 Davide Libenzi
2003-03-11  4:32 ` Niels Provos
2003-03-11 18:15   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-11 20:04     ` Niels Provos
2003-03-12 18:05   ` Martin Waitz
2003-03-12 18:36     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-11  9:34 ` bert hubert
2003-03-11 18:20   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-12 12:05     ` bert hubert [this message]
2003-03-12 17:17       ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-11 14:24 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-11 18:27   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-11 16:10 ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-03-11 18:34   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-12 18:08   ` Martin Waitz
2003-03-12 18:30     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-12 19:21       ` Martin Waitz
2003-03-12 19:39         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-12 19:57           ` Martin Waitz
     [not found] ` <20030311142447.GA14931@bjl1.jlokier.co.uk.lucky.linux.kernel>
2003-03-14 15:59   ` Valentin Nechayev
2003-03-14 16:53     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-14 17:56       ` Tim Smith
2003-03-14 19:01         ` Davide Libenzi
     [not found] <local.mail.linux-kernel/Pine.LNX.4.50.0303101139520.1922-100000@blue1.dev.mcafeelabs.com>
     [not found] ` <local.mail.linux-kernel/20030311142447.GA14931@bjl1.jlokier.co.uk.lucky.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <local.mail.linux-kernel/20030314155947.GD13106@netch.kiev.ua>
2003-03-14 21:43     ` [patch, rfc] lt-epoll ( level triggered epoll ) ... X-Newsgroups: local.mail.linux-kernel In-Reply-To: <local.mail.linux-kernel/Pine.LNX.4.50.0303140845480.1903-100000@blue1.dev.mcafeelabs.com> Jonathan Lemon
2003-03-14 22:16       ` [patch, rfc] lt-epoll ( level triggered epoll ) Davide Libenzi
2003-03-14 22:27         ` Jonathan Lemon
2003-03-14 22:57           ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-14 23:36             ` Jonathan Lemon
2003-03-15  0:06               ` Davide Libenzi

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