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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
To: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>,
	Zack Brown <zbrown@tumblerings.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:48:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030312134412.4232B40CE0@mx01.nexgo.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200303120544.h2C5ibMY008372@eeyore.valparaiso.cl>

On Wed 12 Mar 03 06:44, Horst von Brand wrote:
> There is no universal "before" and "after", even within one repository;

Sure there is, e.g., by incrementing master transaction number on the 
repository database.

> there might be changes that can't be ordered. I.e., changes to files foo
> and bar are independent, and might have happened in any order for the same
> result. Same for all non-overlapping changes.

I think what you're saying is that the repository may be ordered in more than 
one way at the same time.  Transaction serial number is just one way.  
Whatever else is recorded in the repository, at least there ought to be a 
serial number on every transaction, a simple unstructured counter.  With just 
this serial number you already have a way to roll back the entire repository 
to any point in the past, provided all repository transactions are reversible.

For dependencies between changes, rather than any fixed ordering, it's better 
to record the actual precedence information, i.e., "a before b", where a and 
b are id numbers of changes (I think everybody agrees changes are first class 
objects).  These precedence relations can be determined automatically: if two 
changes do not occur in the same file, there is no certainly no precedence 
relation.  If two changes overlap the same text, then there is a precedence 
relation.  If two changes do not overlap, there may or may not be a 
precedence relation, depending on whether the changes are exact deltas or 
deltas-with-context, and if the latter, whether the context is unambiguous.

Once you have the precedence relations, there are all kinds of useful things 
you can do with them.

Regards,

Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2003-03-12 13:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 199+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-03-02  0:11 Adam J. Richter
2003-03-02  0:20 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-02  0:20 ` David Lang
2003-03-02  0:49 ` Arador
2003-03-02  1:03   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02  2:15   ` Alan Cox
2003-03-02  1:19     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02  1:40       ` BitBucket: GPL-ed *notrademarkhere* clone Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-02  1:45         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02  2:09           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-02 17:28             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02 18:16               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-02 20:12                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02 21:49                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-03 18:37                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-03 18:46                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-03 22:57                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-03 23:14                     ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-03 23:56                     ` David Lang
2003-03-04  0:02                       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-04  0:05                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-04  0:15                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-04  0:30                           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-04  2:20                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-04  5:29                         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-04  5:56                           ` Dimitrie O. Paun
2003-03-04 14:51                             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02  3:29           ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-02 17:12             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02 18:39               ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-02 20:01                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-03  0:47               ` nickn
2003-03-03  0:55                 ` David Lang
2003-03-03  2:31                   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-03  2:32                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-04  1:07                   ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-04  1:10                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-03 21:53               ` Joel Becker
2003-03-04 23:37                 ` Olaf Hering
2003-03-06 16:47                 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-06 16:41               ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 11:24                 ` Tupshin Harper
2003-03-07 11:28                   ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 21:53                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-08 23:18                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-03  0:13           ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-03  0:10       ` BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Pavel Machek
2003-03-04 16:16         ` David Woodhouse
2003-03-04 16:27           ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-02  1:26 ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-06 16:18   ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 12:12     ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-07 12:32       ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 16:54         ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-07 17:14           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-07 19:08           ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 19:25             ` Eli Carter
2003-03-07 20:29               ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 23:16             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-08 22:52               ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09  0:05                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-09  1:21                   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-09  2:45                   ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09  3:19                     ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-09  3:42                       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-09  4:32                         ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-09 13:34                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-03-09 15:35                             ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-09 16:55                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-09 17:20                                 ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09 17:48                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-09 19:58                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-09 21:32                                     ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09 21:54                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-03-09 23:28                                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-13 20:00                                     ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-09 17:39                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-09 17:58                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-09 18:20                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-09 23:19                                     ` fs
2003-03-13  0:41                                     ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-13 21:21                                       ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-09 20:01                                   ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-13  0:13                             ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-09 14:49                         ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-13  0:05                         ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-10  0:02                     ` Thoughts about ideal kernel SCM Petr Baudis
2003-03-10  0:32                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 19:29                         ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-13 10:36                       ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-14 22:56                         ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-17 20:59                       ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-10  3:41                     ` BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Horst von Brand
2003-03-10 13:52                       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-10 23:03                     ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-11 18:40                       ` Zack Brown
2003-03-11 18:46                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-11 19:30                           ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-11 19:33                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-11 20:08                               ` Andrew Morton
2003-03-11 20:29                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-12  6:14                             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-03-13  2:48                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13  3:11                                 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-03-14 12:29                             ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-15 20:53                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-15 21:26                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 21:32                               ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-15 23:39                                 ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-16  0:39                               ` Horst von Brand
2003-04-07 21:22                               ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-12  3:47                         ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12  4:03                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12  4:49                             ` [PATCH] ~/kernel/sys.c (2.5.64) (trivial) Jay Patrick Howard
2003-03-12  5:22                           ` BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Zack Brown
2003-03-12  5:44                             ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 13:48                               ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2003-03-13  1:03                                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13 16:53                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 15:02                                     ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-15 21:25                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-12  6:19                             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-03-13  1:31                               ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 15:32                             ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 16:13                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-12 20:37                                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 20:54                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-13  2:00                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15  1:03                                     ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 13:22                           ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13  0:52                             ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13 17:00                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13 21:48                                 ` Zack Brown
2003-03-13 22:04                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 16:21                                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-15 21:25                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 21:53                                     ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-15 21:50                                       ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-03-15 22:16                                         ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-15 22:18                                         ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-16  0:18                                       ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-16  0:53                                         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-16  0:55                                         ` [arch-users] " Stig Brautaset
2003-03-16  1:44                                         ` Tom Lord
2003-03-16  2:06                                           ` Adam Spiers
2003-03-16  3:28                                             ` David Lang
2003-03-16  5:43                                         ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-16 11:57                                         ` (Re: BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone) Moving to arch-users Petr Baudis
2003-03-14 11:34                         ` BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Pavel Machek
2003-03-12 23:38                     ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-09  2:06             ` Horst von Brand
     [not found]             ` <b4b98v_14m_1@penguin.transmeta.com>
2003-03-12 23:23               ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-13 21:15                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-08  0:18       ` Olaf Dietsche
2003-03-02  1:37 ` Filip Van Raemdonck
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-04-08 17:52 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-08 18:02 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-08 23:19   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-09  0:47     ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-09  1:34       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-09  1:43       ` Robert White
2003-04-09  2:09     ` Mark Mielke
2003-04-09 13:14       ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2003-04-09 13:35         ` Matti Aarnio
2003-04-08 13:06 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-07 23:57 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-08  0:30 ` Larry McVoy
     [not found] <1047571030.5373.161.camel@passion.cambridge.redhat.com>
2003-03-15 14:17 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-15 18:48   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-15 18:51   ` David Woodhouse
     [not found] <20030309001008$2ed5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <20030309001008$4e61@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <20030309001008$0732@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <20030309001008$747c@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <20030309001008$6342@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-03-15 10:47         ` Kai Henningsen
2003-03-13 16:21 Ed Vance
2003-03-15 14:31 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 19:00 Kaz Kylheku
2003-03-03 17:02 Adam J. Richter
2003-03-02  2:23 Adam J. Richter
2003-03-03 15:26 ` Edward S. Marshall
2003-03-03 23:06   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-02-26 20:02 BitBucket: GPL-ed BitKeeper clone Pavel Machek
2003-03-01 18:05 ` BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Pavel Janík
2003-03-01 18:39   ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-01 22:43     ` Pavel Janík
2003-03-02  9:11       ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-02  9:30         ` John Bradford
2003-03-02  9:32           ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-03 12:39           ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-03 14:12           ` Alan Cox
2003-03-03 13:57             ` John Bradford
2003-03-03 14:22               ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-03-03 15:08                 ` John Bradford
2003-03-03 17:50                   ` David Lang
2003-03-03 19:37                   ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-03 19:49                     ` John Bradford
2003-03-03 14:22               ` Charles Cazabon
2003-03-02  9:57         ` Pavel Janík
2003-03-03  8:05       ` Helge Hafting
2003-03-03  8:28         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-03-01 20:58   ` Paul Fulghum
2003-03-02  4:52     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-03-03  0:02   ` Pavel Machek

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