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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <ptb@it.uc3m.es>
To: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
Cc: "Peter T. Breuer" <ptb@it.uc3m.es>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	Justin Cormack <justin@street-vision.com>,
	linux kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ENBD for 2.5.64
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:05:25 +0100 (MET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200303260705.h2Q75Ph03622@oboe.it.uc3m.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030326064829.GC20244@waste.org> from Matt Mackall at "Mar 26, 2003 00:48:29 am"

"A month of sundays ago Matt Mackall wrote:"
> > > Both iSCSI and ENBD currently have issues with pending writes during
> > > network outages. The current I/O layer fails to report failed writes
> > > to fsync and friends.
> > 
> > ENBD has two (configurable) behaviors here. Perhaps it should have
> > more. By default it blocks pending reads and writes during times when
> > the connection is down. It can be configured to error them instead.
> 
> And in this case, the upper layers will silently drop write errors on
> current kernels.
> 
> Cisco's Linux iSCSI driver has a configurable timeout, defaulting to
> 'infinite', btw.

That corresponds to enbd's default behavior.  Sigh. Guess I'll have to
make it 0-infty, instead of 0 or infty. It's easy enough - just need to
make it settable in proc (and think about which is the one line I need
to touch ...).

> Hrrmm. The potential to lose data by surprise here is not terribly
> appealing.

Making the driver "intelligent" is indeed bad news for the more
intelligent admin.  I was thinking of making it default to 0 timeout if
it knows it's running under raid, but I have a natural antipathy to
such in-driver decisions. My conscience would be slightly less on
alert if the userspace daemon did the decision-making. I suppose it
could.

>  It might be better to add an accounting mechanism to say
> "never go above x dirty pages against block device n" or something of
> the sort but you can still get into trouble if you happen to have
> hundreds of iSCSI devices each with their own request queue..

Well, you can get in trouble if you allow even a single dirty page to
be outstanding to something, and have thousands of those somethings.

That's not the normal situation, however, whereas it is normal to
have a single network device and to be writing pell-mell to it
oblivious to the state of the device itself.

Peter

  reply	other threads:[~2003-03-26  6:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1048623613.25914.14.camel@lotte>
2003-03-25 20:53 ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-03-26  2:40   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-26  5:55     ` Matt Mackall
2003-03-26  6:31       ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-03-26  6:48         ` Matt Mackall
2003-03-26  7:05           ` Peter T. Breuer [this message]
2003-03-26  6:59       ` Andre Hedrick
2003-03-26 13:58         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-26  7:31       ` Lincoln Dale
2003-03-26  9:59         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-03-26 10:18           ` Andrew Morton
2003-03-26 13:49         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-26 16:09         ` Matt Mackall
     [not found]   ` <5.1.0.14.2.20030327085031.04aa7128@mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com>
2003-03-26 22:40     ` Matt Mackall
2003-03-28 11:19   ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-30 20:48     ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-03-26 22:16 Lincoln Dale
2003-03-26 22:56 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-03-26 23:21   ` Lincoln Dale
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-03-26 22:16 Lincoln Dale
2003-03-26 22:32 ` Andre Hedrick
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.10.10303261422580.25072-100000@master.linux-ide .org>
2003-03-26 23:03   ` Lincoln Dale
2003-03-26 23:39     ` Andre Hedrick
     [not found] <5.1.0.14.2.20030327083757.037c0760@mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com>
2003-03-26 22:02 ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-03-26 23:49   ` Lincoln Dale
2003-03-27  0:08     ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-03-25 17:27 Peter T. Breuer

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