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From: Willy Tarreau <willy@w.ods.org>
To: Scott A Crosby <scrosby@cs.rice.edu>
Cc: Willy Tarreau <willy@w.ods.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Better hash functions (was Re: Route cache performance under stress)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:55:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030408095511.GA19428@alpha.home.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <oydn0j1nyed.fsf_-_@bert.cs.rice.edu>

 
> As stated, I was assuming that you masked off the lowest 12 bits and
> used that for the bucket number. This is typical in most code; if your
> function doesn't do that, you should have said so.

OK
 
> On a P2 benchmark system, hashing one byte at a time this approach
> with 64 bit multiplies and 32-bit modulation operation is just as fast
> as Perl's shift-based hash function.

I agree for recent x86 processors, but older or smaller designs would suffer
from multiply and divide.

> > the initial random, you will not exploit it. That's the whole
> > point. Try to find a generic attack against this part of code, where
> > 0x12345678 is a random number. Perhaps you can, but I couldn't.
> 
> Actually, this is relatively strightforward to break.

OK, I agree with your demo, you convinced me.

> Trust me. Find a good universal hash function in the literature and
> use it. I don't know about you, but inventing my own is beyond my
> skill. I already tried it once, in my earlier message, and made a
> mistake; I've already elided out two others I was about to make in
> this message.

well, the only hash function I wrote myself only had to suit my needs, and
didn't have to be resistant to hash attacks. But I agree that the strongest
functions you'll find are those which have been publicly available for years
and still remain uncracked.

Regards,
Willy


      reply	other threads:[~2003-04-08  9:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 2+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]     ` <20030408075950.GA18222@alpha.home.local>
2003-04-08  9:15       ` Scott A Crosby
2003-04-08  9:55         ` Willy Tarreau [this message]

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