From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264517AbTDXVn7 (ORCPT ); Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:43:59 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264515AbTDXVn6 (ORCPT ); Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:43:58 -0400 Received: from [203.194.240.135] ([203.194.240.135]:9097 "HELO station173.com") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S264509AbTDXVnT (ORCPT ); Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:43:19 -0400 From: Daniel Callahan To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Flame Linus to a crisp! Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:55:22 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 Cc: pochini@shiny.it MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200304241655.22689.proteus@eclectic-cheval.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org ---- On 24-Apr-2003 Giuliano Pochini wrote: Free software is free. You can do anything with it, the only contraint is it must stay free. But cryptography plays a bad role here. Someone can make hw that accepts only that peice of signed free software. You have the hw, you have the binaries, you have the sources. But the sources are completely useless. GPL allows the user to modify it, but the hw doesn't run the modified copy. DRM can turns free software into half-proprietary software. I don't like it at all, but I don't see any solution. ---- The solution lies outside of the GPL. Not that you're guilty of this, but somehow hackerdom has mixed the GPL in with 'the Right to free binaries' and 'the Right to have compatible hardware'. And those two Rights are as real as the brontosaurus, (i.e., they ain't, despite what many want to believe). Free binaries and compatible hardware are privileges. In the case of hardware, that's a damn shame, but there it is. Apart from mutilating the GPL to outlaw development on secured hardware, I can't see the solution coming from that direction. (And even if GPL were modified to cover "activities other than copying, distribution and modification", all it would do is fork the license. Linus would use the older license (I'm guessing), others would use the anti-DRM license, and Bill Gates would be ROTFLHAO.) So there's no solution except to learn to live with it *unless* someone is brave and savvy enough to create a General Hardware License and found the Free Hardware Foundation. And that still wouldn't make the DRM issue vanish -- GNU didn't wipe out proprietary software; it didn't even prevent the Mac from using FreeBSD. It would just create the opportunity for a hardware hacker to do what has been done with Linux. So, if anyone really is waiting for a sign to start the Free Hardware Foundation, consider Linus' email to be it. Daniel.