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From: Yaroslav Rastrigin <yarick@relex.ru>
To: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: How do I make this thing stop laging?  Reboot?  Sounds like  Windows!
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:30:48 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200306181330.48072.yarick@relex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3EF0214A.3000103@aitel.hist.no>

Hi !
>
> Because the problem _is_ unsolvable.  You want the kernel
> to go "oh, lots of free memory showed up, lets pull
> everything in from swap just in case someone might need it."
> ...
>
> It is simply impossible to know "what" the
> next thing we will need from swap will be, and what
> stuff won't ever be needed from swap.  The memory
> might be putr to better uses, such as:
> 1. New programs/allocations can start without
>     having to push something out first
> 2. file cache for io-intensive apps.
> ...
> Note that reading from swap is very much like reading
> from executable files - it is done when needed.
> We donæ't normally pre-read every executable
> on the system when there is free memory just
> in case someone might want to run a program,
> the same applies to swap.
Well, the problem is probably unsolvable on kernel level (kernel is unaware of 
user's habits in app/mem usage), but I think it's pretty solvable on user 
level - give us a knob to tune VM's behavior. We mere mortals often know 
better how we will use our system's memory, and which apps we will be 
running. I, for myself, like laptop-mode patch (basically, it groups disk 
writes to do them once in 5-10 minutes, thus allowing hdd to sleep a lot) 
very much - when I'm on AC, most probably I'm in office , and turning it off 
is reasonable. When I'm on battery, though, chances are I won't be compiling 
the kernel and/or do other heavy disk IO, instead, I most likely will be 
coding, so echo 1 >/proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode seems appropriate, reasonable and 
useful. 
Could something like this be done with VM/swap policy ? 

-- 
With all the best, yarick at relex dot ru.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-06-18  9:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-06-18  0:30 rmoser
2003-06-18  8:22 ` Helge Hafting
2003-06-18  9:22   ` Karl Vogel
2003-06-18  9:44     ` Oliver Neukum
2003-06-18 10:23     ` Anders Karlsson
2003-06-18 15:08       ` Gianni Tedesco
2003-06-18 16:43     ` Joe
2003-06-18  9:30   ` Yaroslav Rastrigin [this message]
2003-06-18 11:02     ` Helge Hafting
2003-06-18 12:17       ` Mike Galbraith
2003-06-19  8:04   ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-06-19 10:00     ` Helge Hafting
2003-06-19 10:02       ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-19 15:54       ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-06-18  9:56 Karl Vogel
2003-06-18 16:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2003-06-18 10:43 Karl Vogel
2003-06-18 10:49 Karl Vogel

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