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From: "Jörn Engel" <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: Ricardo Bugalho <ricardo.b@zmail.pt>,
	insecure@mail.od.ua, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: nasm over gas?
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:51:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030913195138.GA8890@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030913192539.GE7404@mail.jlokier.co.uk>

On Sat, 13 September 2003 20:25:39 +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Jörn Engel wrote:
> > - Why has Alan measured faster kernels with -Os than with -O2?
> > 
> > Code size *does* matter.
> 
> That's not just i-cache pressure.  It is partly a GCC problem, and
> it's possible -Os would run faster than -O2 even with no i-cache.
> 
> I've observed -Os emitting exactly the same code as -O2 for some
> trivial functions, except that -O2 has a few extra redundant
> instructions.
> 
> Obvious the _intent_ of -O2 is to compile for speed, but it's clear
> that GCC often emits trivially redundant instructions (like stack
> adjustments) that don't serve to speed up the program at all.

I haven't collected too many numbers, but the few I did collect show
-O2 code actually being faster than -Os, as long as you stay in
userspace and the code is small and loopy.  It may get worse for large
run-once code, but I don't have numbers for that.

My explanation for Alans results is that nature of kernel code.
Usually, kernel code execution takes only a fraction of the cpu time,
so the user code run in between effectively flushes the cache.  Each
system call causes near 100% cache misses, so smaller code is almost
always faster.

So even if your observations were wrong and gcc would create perfect
code for both -O2 and -Os, I wouldn't expect -O2 to be faster for
kernel code.

Jörn

-- 
More computing sins are committed in the name of efficiency (without
necessarily achieving it) than for any other single reason - including
blind stupidity.
-- W. A. Wulf 

  reply	other threads:[~2003-09-13 19:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-04 10:42 Fruhwirth Clemens
2003-09-04 12:32 ` Antonio Vargas
2003-09-04 13:44 ` Yann Droneaud
2003-09-04 14:05   ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-09-04 14:21     ` Sean Neakums
2003-09-04 14:33       ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-09-04 15:09         ` Yann Droneaud
2003-09-04 14:55     ` Yann Droneaud
2003-09-05 21:16       ` George Anzinger
2003-09-04 14:57   ` Michael Frank
2003-09-04 15:43     ` Fruhwirth Clemens
2003-09-04 22:28     ` insecure
2003-09-05 12:59       ` Michael Frank
2003-09-05 17:28         ` insecure
2003-09-05 17:45           ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-06 17:18             ` insecure
2003-09-07 18:49           ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-07 19:30             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-09 21:37               ` insecure
2003-09-09 21:34             ` insecure
2003-09-11 11:07               ` Ricardo Bugalho
2003-09-12 15:26                 ` insecure
2003-09-12 17:27                   ` Ricardo Bugalho
2003-09-12 22:17                     ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-13 19:25                       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-13 19:51                         ` Jörn Engel [this message]
2003-09-11 14:03               ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-11 17:05                 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-09 20:56           ` Pavel Machek
2003-09-05 13:27       ` Jesse Pollard
2003-09-05 23:51     ` Aaron Lehmann
2003-09-06  1:41       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-04 14:56 ` Yann Droneaud
2003-09-05 11:42 ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-05 12:04   ` Fruhwirth Clemens
2003-09-05 12:37     ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-05 12:21 John Bradford
2003-09-05 12:25 John Bradford
2003-09-05 12:25 ` Fruhwirth Clemens
2003-09-06 22:08   ` Herbert Poetzl
2003-09-07 20:40     ` Fruhwirth Clemens
2003-09-05 13:20 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-09-05 13:57 John Bradford
2003-09-05 15:39 ` Mehmet Ceyran
2003-09-06 20:24   ` David B. Stevens
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2003-09-08 12:03         ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-09-08 13:53           ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-09-08 16:10             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-08 16:17           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-08 16:45             ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-09-08 16:58               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-08 17:59           ` William Lee Irwin III
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2003-09-08 12:07       ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
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2003-09-08 20:08             ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau

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