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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
	Norman Diamond <ndiamond@wta.att.ne.jp>,
	Wes Janzen <superchkn@sbcglobal.net>,
	Rogier Wolff <R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl>,
	John Bradford <john@grabjohn.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, nikita@namesys.com,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Justin Cormack <justin@street-vision.com>,
	Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Vitaly Fertman <vitaly@namesys.com>,
	Krzysztof Halasa <khc@pm.waw.pl>,
	axboe@suse.de
Subject: Re: Blockbusting news, results are in
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:35:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031019083551.GA1108@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3F924660.4040405@namesys.com>

Larry McVoy wrote:
>> I've told you guys over and over that you need to CRC the data in user
>> space, we do that in our backup scripts and it tells us when the drives
>> are going bad.  S

On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:08:00PM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote:
> Why do the CRC in user space, that requires modifying every one of 7000+ 
> applications (if I understand you correctly, which is far from a sure 
> thing;-) )?
> Write a reiser4 CRC file plugin.  It would take a weekend, and most of the 
> work would be cut and pasting from the default file plugin..  
> I understand why you do it in BK, but for user space as a whole user space 
> is the wrong place.

I think the fs driver layer might be the wrong thing too; maybe it'd be
best to do the CRC and/or checksumming at the block layer?

At the very least, I see a lack of genericity with respect to making it a
plugin to a specific fs. I'm going to try not to delve too far into
specifics, as my knowledge in these areas is limited, but I'd welcome any
corrections of misunderstandings I might have about feasibility, value,
or importance of these things, and even techhical misconceptions.

Jens, I apologize if advance if this is just another lame flamewar best
bitbucketed as opposed to answered.

Thanks.


-- wli

  reply	other threads:[~2003-10-19  8:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-19  2:16 Norman Diamond
2003-10-19  4:15 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-19  5:00   ` Paul
2003-10-19  8:19     ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-19  8:08   ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-19  8:35     ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2003-10-19 20:01       ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-19 20:11         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-20  7:24         ` John Bradford
2003-10-19 22:49       ` jw schultz
2003-10-20  7:22         ` John Bradford
2003-10-20  8:22           ` jw schultz
2003-10-20  7:27         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-20  8:08           ` jw schultz
2003-10-19 19:49     ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-20  7:22       ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-21 10:31     ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-10-21  8:43 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-10-19  7:37 Mudama, Eric
2003-10-19  8:09 ` Norman Diamond
2003-10-19  8:24   ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-19 11:43   ` Ralf Baechle
2003-10-19 15:55   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2003-10-19  8:13 ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-19  8:17 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-19  8:41   ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-20 15:56     ` Thayne Harbaugh
2003-10-19  8:21 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-19  8:27   ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-19  9:01     ` Erik Andersen
2003-10-19 14:10       ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-19 18:16         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-19 19:44           ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-20  7:21             ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-19 14:42       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-19 10:47 ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-19 17:36 Mudama, Eric
2003-10-19 17:39 Mudama, Eric
2003-10-19 17:51 Mudama, Eric
2003-10-20  6:22 ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-20 14:08 Mudama, Eric
2003-10-20 14:42 ` John Bradford
2003-10-20 15:55 Mudama, Eric
2003-10-20 17:32 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-21 15:18 Norman Diamond
2003-10-21 19:31 ` Chuck Campbell
2003-10-21 20:05   ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-21 20:21     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-21 20:31       ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-21 21:53       ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-22  2:32         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-23 17:28           ` Theodore Ts'o

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