From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261309AbTJ1StZ (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:49:25 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261411AbTJ1StZ (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:49:25 -0500 Received: from mail.kroah.org ([65.200.24.183]:40385 "EHLO perch.kroah.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261309AbTJ1StY (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:49:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:48:26 -0800 From: Greg KH To: Mark Bellon Cc: Patrick Mochel , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-hotplug-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: User-space System Device Enumeration (uSDE) Message-ID: <20031028184825.GB7432@kroah.com> References: <3F9EB17F.9020308@mvista.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3F9EB17F.9020308@mvista.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 11:12:15AM -0700, Mark Bellon wrote: > I can't respond to the emotion and ad hominum references in this > message. The uSDE announcement is my first posting. I can't address any > past dealings with MontaVista. It might be your first public posting. But it is not your first email to people here ever. I have a few emails from you lying around here from back in Feb and March of this year in which you detailed this project. And you have been aware of udev from at least April, as it's code has been public since then. I also have email messages from Intel employees who were helping you with uSDE over the past few months, asking questions about different things that udev does, in order to get a better understanding of it. I'm guessing that was done to provide that functionality in uSDE, which is fine. The major frustration of mine is why, if you found udev lacking for one reason or another, did you decide to not help us out, and instead go off and work on your own, in secret? We could really use the help with udev, and having at least 2 full time people working on it (like it looks like uSDE has) would make a real difference. > The uSDE ideas and implementation was started with the OSDL requirements > in August of 2002. > This is the first time any form of it has been posted. Again, in public. I have older code drops of yours in my email folders. > From time-to-time, since the project started, ideas related to it have > been floated with the community. The feedback was carefully listened > to and utitized in the implementation that was just posted. I have provided help to you and your team over time, but that has been a one-way street. Help has not flowed back the other way, even when we have asked for it (help with udev, or with the kernel changes that are required for udev or uSDE to work properly.) That is why I am frustrated, and I think that others in the open source community have the same frustration. udev isn't going away any time soon, and I am committed to working on it for quite some time in order to address issues people have raised. If you want to spend your time on uSDE, that's up to you. I'm very willing to work with your team, if your team is willing to work with us. thanks, greg k-h