From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Johannes Stezenbach <js@convergence.de>,
Peter Nelson <pnelson@andrew.cmu.edu>,
Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ext2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
ext3-users@redhat.com, jfs-discussion@oss.software.ibm.com,
reiserfs-list@namesys.com, linux-xfs@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: Desktop Filesystem Benchmarks in 2.6.3
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:46:46 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040305184643.GA4758@openzaurus.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040303234104.GD1875@convergence.de>
Hi!
> It would be nice if someone with more profound knowledge could comment
> on this, but my understanding of the problem is:
>
> - journaled filesystems can only work when they can enforce that
> journal data is written to the platters at specifc times wrt
> normal data writes
> - IDE write caching makes the disk "lie" to the kernel, i.e. it says
> "I've written the data" when it was only put in the cache
> - now if a *power failure* keeps the disk from writing the cache
> contents to the platter, the fs and journal are inconsistent
> (a kernel crash would not cause this problem because the disk can
> still write the cache contents to the platters)
> - at next mount time the fs will read the journal from the disk
> and try to use it to bring the fs into a consistent state;
> however, since the journal on disk is not guaranteed to be up to date
> this can *fail* (I have no idea what various fs implementations do
> to handle this; I suspect they at least refuse to mount and require
> you to manually run fsck. Or they don't notice and let you work
> with a corrupt filesystem until they blow up.)
>
> Right? Or is this just paranoia?
Twice a year I fsck my reiser drives, and yes there's some corruption there.
So you are right, and its not paranoia.
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Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-03-02 4:46 Peter Nelson
2004-03-02 7:23 ` Hans Reiser
2004-03-02 16:34 ` Peter Nelson
2004-03-02 22:33 ` Dax Kelson
2004-03-02 22:47 ` David Weinehall
2004-03-03 1:30 ` Andrew Ho
2004-03-03 1:41 ` David Weinehall
[not found] ` <20040303014115.GP19111@khan.acc.umu.se.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2004-03-03 2:39 ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-03 7:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-03-03 8:03 ` Hans Reiser
2004-03-03 8:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-03 9:35 ` Hans Reiser
2004-03-03 6:00 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-03-03 9:43 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2004-03-03 9:59 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-03-03 10:19 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2004-03-04 9:28 ` Kristian Köhntopp
2004-03-05 1:59 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2004-03-03 10:24 ` Mike Gigante
2004-03-03 13:14 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2004-03-03 14:16 ` Hans Reiser
2004-03-03 13:42 ` Hans Reiser
2004-03-03 10:13 ` Olaf Frączyk
2004-03-03 13:07 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2004-03-04 14:37 ` [Jfs-discussion] " Pascal Gienger
2004-03-04 20:43 ` Per Andreas Buer
2004-03-03 6:30 ` Hans Reiser
2004-03-03 23:41 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-03-05 18:46 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2004-03-06 0:16 ` Chris Mason
2004-03-02 17:11 Ray Lee
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