From: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
To: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>
Cc: nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, jgarzik@pobox.com, akpm@osdl.org,
brettspamacct@fastclick.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ~500 megs cached yet 2.6.5 goes into swap hell
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:36:13 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040429133613.791f9f9b.pj@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200404292001.i3TK1BYe005147@eeyore.valparaiso.cl>
> How on earth is the kernel supposed to know that for this one particular
> job you don't care if it takes 3 hours instead of 10 minutes,
I'd pay ten bucks (yeah, I'm a cheapskate) for an option that I could
twiddle that would mark my nightly updatedb and backup jobs as ones to
use reduced memory footprint (both for file caching and backing user
virtual address space), even if it took much longer.
So, rather than protest in mock outrage that it's impossible for the
kernel to know this, instead answer the question as stated in all
seriousness ... well ... how _could_ the kernel know, and what _could_
the kernel do if it knew. What mechanism(s) would be needed so that
the kernel could restrict a jobs memory usage?
Heh - indeed perhaps the answer is closer than I realize. For SGI's big
NUMA boxes, managing memory placement is sufficiently critical that we
are inventing or encouraging ways (such as Andi Kleen's numa stuff) to
control memory placement per node per job. Perhaps this needs to be
extended to portions of a node (this job can only use 1 Gb of the memory
on that 2 Gb node) and to other memory uses (file cache, not just user
space memory).
--
I won't rest till it's the best ...
Programmer, Linux Scalability
Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com> 1.650.933.1373
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-04-29 21:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-04-28 21:27 Brett E.
2004-04-29 0:01 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 0:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-29 0:21 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 0:50 ` Wakko Warner
2004-04-29 0:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-29 0:54 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 1:51 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-29 21:45 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-29 0:58 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 3:48 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 4:20 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 4:26 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 14:49 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-30 4:08 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 22:31 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 6:38 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-29 7:36 ` Russell King
2004-04-29 10:44 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 11:04 ` Russell King
2004-04-29 14:52 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 20:01 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-29 20:18 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-29 20:33 ` David B. Stevens
2004-04-29 22:42 ` Steve Youngs
2004-04-29 20:36 ` Paul Jackson [this message]
2004-04-29 21:19 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 21:34 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-29 21:57 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 22:18 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-30 0:04 ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-30 0:32 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-30 0:54 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-30 5:38 ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-30 6:00 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 7:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-30 8:02 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-30 8:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-06 13:08 ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-07 15:53 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-05-07 16:57 ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-07 17:30 ` Timothy Miller
2004-05-07 17:43 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-05-07 17:48 ` Mark Frazer
2004-05-12 17:52 ` Rob Landley
2004-05-17 20:16 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-04-29 21:38 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:47 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-29 22:18 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 22:46 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-29 23:08 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 12:31 ` Bart Samwel
2004-04-30 15:35 ` Clay Haapala
2004-04-30 15:44 ` Bart Samwel
2004-04-30 22:11 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-30 3:37 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30 5:15 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 6:20 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30 6:34 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 7:05 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30 7:15 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 9:18 ` Re[2]: " vda
2004-04-30 9:33 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-04-30 11:33 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-30 16:19 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 0:49 ` Brett E.
2004-04-29 1:00 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 1:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-29 1:40 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 1:47 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 18:14 ` Adam Kropelin
2004-04-30 3:17 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-29 2:19 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-29 16:24 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-29 16:36 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-29 16:56 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-29 1:30 ` Paul Mackerras
2004-04-29 1:31 ` Paul Mackerras
2004-04-29 1:53 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 2:40 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 2:58 ` Paul Mackerras
2004-04-29 3:09 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 3:14 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-29 6:12 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-29 6:22 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 6:25 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-29 6:31 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-29 16:50 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-29 3:57 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 14:29 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-30 3:00 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 12:50 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-30 13:07 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 13:18 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-04-30 13:39 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 1:46 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 1:57 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 2:29 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 2:35 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 3:10 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 3:19 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 4:13 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 4:33 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 14:45 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 16:51 ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-29 20:42 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 22:27 ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-29 23:19 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-30 0:14 ` Lincoln Dale
2004-04-29 8:02 ` Wichert Akkerman
2004-04-29 14:25 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-04-29 14:27 ` Wichert Akkerman
2004-04-29 2:41 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 2:43 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 1:41 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-29 9:43 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-29 14:48 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 0:44 ` Brett E.
2004-04-29 1:13 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 1:29 ` Brett E.
2004-04-29 18:05 ` Brett E.
2004-04-29 18:32 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-29 20:47 ` Brett E.
2004-04-29 0:04 ` Brett E.
2004-04-29 0:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-29 0:43 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 13:51 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-29 18:32 ` Brett E.
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