From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262424AbUEAWQw (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 May 2004 18:16:52 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262425AbUEAWQw (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 May 2004 18:16:52 -0400 Received: from fw.osdl.org ([65.172.181.6]:52967 "EHLO mail.osdl.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262424AbUEAWPr (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 May 2004 18:15:47 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 15:14:01 -0700 From: "Randy.Dunlap" To: Sean Estabrooks Cc: marc@linuxant.com, mbligh@aracnet.com, tconnors+linuxkernel1083378452@astro.swin.edu.au, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Message-Id: <20040501151401.6d238243.rddunlap@osdl.org> In-Reply-To: <20040501153319.6f9ece87.seanlkml@rogers.com> References: <009701c42edf$25e47390$ca41cb3f@amer.cisco.com> <90DD8A88-9AE2-11D8-B83D-000A95BCAC26@linuxant.com> <6900000.1083388078@[10.10.2.4]> <772768DC-9BA3-11D8-B83D-000A95BCAC26@linuxant.com> <20040501153319.6f9ece87.seanlkml@rogers.com> Organization: OSDL X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8a (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, 1 May 2004 15:33:19 -0400 Sean Estabrooks wrote: | On Sat, 1 May 2004 15:12:18 -0400 | Marc Boucher wrote: | | > It was already screwed up, and causing unnecessary support burdens | > both on the community ("help! what does tainted mean") and vendors. | > This thread and previous ones have shown ample evidence of that. | | Tainting is working just like it is supposed to work. The reduced | support burden for senior Linux maintainers has been a benefit. | | > Let's deal with the root problem and fix the messages, as Rik van Riel | > has suggested. | | The kernel maintainers will decide what's best for Linux. They're the | ones responsible for overseeing Linux. But if we're going to change | the message i'd prefer something along the lines of: | | "Now loading a non GPL driver. Please consider supporting vendors that | provide open source drivers for their hardware. Your kernel will now be | marked as tainted, all this means is that you should send any support | requests to the author of this driver." I agree, this is better than the Aunt Tillie message. (Second sentence could be omitted. I agree with it, but it's not in the right setting IMO.) [snip] | > > What's wrong with the printk setting workaround? Simply write a number | > > to the appropriate file before you load the modules. | > > | > > I just tried googling for the relevant post, but failed... | > > | > > He doesn't need to wait for the patches to propogate. He can act on | > > his own scripts immediately in readiness for the next version. | > > | > > Easy. | > | > Not. We don't use a script to systematically load the modules, | > because they are large and not always required, nor want to | > interfere with the system's normal logging. | > | > Manipulating printk settings or redirecting the superfluous | > messages elsewhere are also ugly hacks, which can | > potentially also divert/hide important messages. So why is the tainted message to be different? -- ~Randy