From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262132AbUEKGVj (ORCPT ); Tue, 11 May 2004 02:21:39 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262071AbUEKGVj (ORCPT ); Tue, 11 May 2004 02:21:39 -0400 Received: from phoenix.infradead.org ([213.86.99.234]:17669 "EHLO phoenix.infradead.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262132AbUEKGVe (ORCPT ); Tue, 11 May 2004 02:21:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 07:21:32 +0100 From: Christoph Hellwig To: Andrew Morton Cc: Chris Wedgwood , hch@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: 2.6.6-mm1 Message-ID: <20040511072132.B12187@infradead.org> Mail-Followup-To: Christoph Hellwig , Andrew Morton , Chris Wedgwood , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20040510024506.1a9023b6.akpm@osdl.org> <20040510223755.A7773@infradead.org> <20040510150203.3257ccac.akpm@osdl.org> <20040510231146.GA5168@taniwha.stupidest.org> <20040510162818.376b4a55.akpm@osdl.org> <20040510233342.GA5614@taniwha.stupidest.org> <20040510165132.5107472e.akpm@osdl.org> <20040510235312.GA9348@taniwha.stupidest.org> <20040510171413.6c1699b8.akpm@osdl.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20040510171413.6c1699b8.akpm@osdl.org>; from akpm@osdl.org on Mon, May 10, 2004 at 05:14:13PM -0700 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 05:14:13PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: > Migrating away from this will require work from vendors, Oracle, PAM > developers, /bin/login and /bin/su developers. Until that has happened I > think we should arrange for vendor kernels and kernel.org kernels to offer > the same interfaces. > > And I don't think pulling the feature out of kernel.org kernels will > provide any added stimulus, frankly. They'll just ship the hack and go off > to do something else. > > If someone had done the kernel and userspace work 6-12 months ago then > sure, we wouldn't be in this situation. Well, the question is why did those folks who care about it (Oracle it seems) not do it 6-12 month ago? This oh shit oracle needs it we need to come up with a hack mentality sucks big time. If oracle (or $ISV/$IHV) they should send patches in time so we can discuss it. In fact these patches don't even come from Oracle but from Intel which shows something is seriously wrong with all this.