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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@myrealbox.com>
Cc: chrisw@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, luto@myrealbox.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] capabilities
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 18:55:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040512185528.2e6bea8e.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <40A2D449.7090103@myrealbox.com>

Andy Lutomirski <luto@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> > 
> > What if there are existing applications which are deliberately or
> > inadvertently relying upon the current behaviour?  That seems unlikely, but
> > the consequences are gruesome.
> 
> Like something that turns KEEPCAPS on then setuid()s then executes an 
> untrusted program?

Or if it simply has caps and then does exec.

> > If I'm right in this concern, the fixed behaviour should be opt-in.  That
> > could be via a new prctl() thingy but I think it would be better to do it
> > via a kernel boot parameter.  Because long-term we should have the fixed
> > semantics and we should not be making people change userspace for some
> > transient 2.6-only kernel behaviour.
> 
> The prctl would defeat the purpose (imagine if bash forgot the prctl -- 
> then the whole thing is pointless).

yup, lots of apps would need to be changed to interface with something
which won't be present in 2.8 kernels.

>  I'll cook up the boot parameter in 
> the next couple days (probably with a config option and some kind of 
> warning that the old behavior is deprecated).

I wouldn't bother with a config option.

>  Is it a problem if I make 
> the changes to init's state unconditional?  (I still don't see why 
> CAP_SETPCAP is dangerous for root to have...)

I'd be more comfortable (ie: comfort level non-zero) if there was zero
behaviour change if the boot option isn't enabled.

> The only concern is that some new code relies on the new inheritable 
> semantics.  That shouldn't be so bad, though, since that's just an extra 
> precaution (if there are insecure setuid binaries around, you already 
> have problems).

Yes, we can live with that.  The price of prior sins.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-13  1:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-12  3:24 Andy Lutomirski
2004-05-12  3:44 ` Chris Wright
2004-05-12 23:41 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-13  1:50   ` Andy Lutomirski
2004-05-13  1:55     ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2004-05-15  0:00     ` Paul Jakma

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