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From: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <B.Zolnierkiewicz@elka.pw.edu.pl>
To: "Eric D. Mudama" <edmudama@mail.bounceswoosh.org>,
	Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl>,
	Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com>, Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.6 "IDE cache-flush at shutdown fixes"
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 23:05:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200405122305.47874.bzolnier@elka.pw.edu.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040512185224.GA2658@bounceswoosh.org>


[ Rene, Alan, Arjan, Andrew and Linus added to cc: ]

On Wednesday 12 of May 2004 20:52, Eric D. Mudama wrote:
> On Wed, May 12 at  0:09, Robert Hancock wrote:
> >If this is indeed the case, that those drives don't support the "flush
> > write cache" command, I'd like to see Maxtor's excuse as to why.. I
> > believe that Windows always powers down IDE drives before shutdown, maybe
> > this is because of non-universal support for the "flush write cache"
> > command?
>
> The issue is a bit more subtle, and I'm not making an "excuse" per
> say...
>
> (Not speaking officially for Maxtor, but I'm just trying to help...)
>
>
> As per the email I got from Bart, the drive in question doesn't
> support 48-bit commands.  The wierdness is that it claims to support
> the FLUSH CACHE EXT (0xEA) command.  Obviously, this combination
> doesn't make it safe to issue FLUSH CACHE EXT since the drive will not
> be able to properly report a failing location in the event of a
> failure to flush due to a fatal write fault.  The drive knows a FLUSH
> CACHE EXT command isn't safe, so it aborts that command which is the
> error message you see.
>
> The code that Bart showed me does a '&' on the feature word with the
> required support bits, but uses the result in an 'if' conditional.  I
> believe that means that in C, if either of the bits is set, then the
> 'if' will evaluate to true, which is causing the problem.
>
> The solution (that should work for all drives) would be to test
> properly to make sure the drive reports support for both 48-bit
> commands and FLUSH CACHE EXT, with something like:
>
>   if ((feature & bits) == bits)
>
> then issue that command.  If *either* of these bits is false, then the
> drive should be issued a normal FLUSH CACHE (0xE7) command (which is a
> reasonably standard 28-bit command, and all Maxtor drives support,
> including the models in question.)

Yes, this should work.  Thanks Eric.

The other part of the story is a nasty bug in ide-disk.c driver:

write_cache() is called with (drive->id->cfs_enable_2 & 0x300) as argument
'arg' of type 'int' and then this value is assigned to the 'drive->wcache'
of type 'unsigned char' so drive->wcache == 0 because 0x3000 gets truncated.

This bug has been present since introduction of drive->wcache (2.5.3),
therefore we have never handled cache flush correctly before and never
hit '& 0x2400' problem before.

Linus & Alan, you were almost right after all, drive->wcache was almost
always zero for normal disks before 2.6.6.  It could be forced by user but
only for disks having ATA-6 cache flush bits and was auto-set but only for
removable disks (after Alan's fixes in 2.6.65).  You lucky b*st*rds.  ;-)

Rene, that's why wcache is 0 in /proc/ide/hdX/settings for older kernels
or with my 'bandaid' fixes for 2.6.6.  'hdparm -W1' should work but only on
quite recent drives (having ATA-6 bits).  However I don't know why you get
regression in tiobench, we still need to explain this.

Andrew, I will send some patches to you today/tomorrow.

> Note that this only affects newer drives (last 18 months or so) that
> are <120GB. (Yes, I know that is still a truckload)
>
> There are a gazillion of these in the field (we sell ~60 million
> drives/year?) so I don't believe a firmware "upgrade" or equivalent
> simply is logistically possible, but this inconsistency is going to be
> addressed in future products, I'm making sure of it.

Yep, I don't think firmware 'upgrade' is needed/feasable.

Cheers.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-05-12 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <fa.jr282gn.1ni2t37@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.cmd38j8.1tgg9ro@ifi.uio.no>
2004-05-12  6:09   ` Robert Hancock
2004-05-12 18:52     ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-05-12 19:55       ` Rene Herman
2004-05-12 21:05       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz [this message]
2004-05-12 22:27         ` Rene Herman
2004-05-12 21:28       ` Gene Heskett
2004-05-13 17:41         ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-05-10  9:20 Rene Herman
2004-05-10 11:32 ` Gene Heskett
2004-05-10 12:04   ` Rene Herman
2004-05-10 20:28   ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-10 19:25 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-05-10 21:13   ` Rene Herman
2004-05-10 21:52     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-05-11  4:56       ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-11  5:17         ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-11 11:24           ` Rene Herman
     [not found]             ` <200405111537.23535.bzolnier@elka.pw.edu.pl>
     [not found]               ` <40A1073E.3030605@keyaccess.nl>
2004-05-11 19:06                 ` Rene Herman
     [not found]                 ` <200405120236.00085.bzolnier@elka.pw.edu.pl>
2004-05-12 14:44                   ` Rene Herman
2004-05-11 21:22             ` Mike Houston
2004-05-11 22:05             ` Bill Davidsen
2004-05-14  3:26           ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-15  0:53             ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-15  0:59             ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-15  1:05               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-05-15  5:53               ` Herbert Xu
2004-05-15  6:16                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-17 22:13                   ` Greg KH
2004-05-17 22:55                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-14  3:25         ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-11 11:24       ` Rene Herman
2004-05-11 12:56         ` Craig Bradney
2004-05-11 15:51           ` Athanasius
2004-05-11 16:10           ` dobrev
2004-05-12 18:07             ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-05-12 18:45               ` dobrev
2004-05-13  0:24                 ` Patrick Wildi
2004-05-13  9:55                   ` dobrev
2004-05-10 21:59     ` Rene Herman
2004-05-10 23:36       ` Mike Houston

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