From: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>
To: Willy Tarreau <willy@w.ods.org>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: i486 emu in mainline?
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 13:49:36 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040523114936.GA26157@hh.idb.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040523094853.GA16448@alpha.home.local>
On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 11:48:53AM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
>
> You mean like when a user does a malloc() and the memory is not physically
> allocated because not used yet ? or even in case memory has been swapped
> out ? I believe I begin to understand, but the corner case is not really
> clear to me. It yet seems strange to me that the user can reference memory
> areas that the kernel cannot access.
The user referencing non-present memory is not a problem, because:
1. It is always pssoible to block the user process and let it wait
(a long time) for swapping to happen. That might not be an
option for the kernel - it can't wait while holding a
spinlock, for example.
2. It is always ok to kill the user process if it uses memory it
doesn't have. It is not ok to "kill" the kernel. The indirect ways
of using user memory from the kernel side ensures that the
normal mechanisms (swap-wait or kill) applies to the process owning
the memory. Direct reference from kernel does not invoke normal page
fault mechanisms when memory goes wrong.
Helge Hafting
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-05-23 11:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-05-22 23:40 Christoph Hellwig
2004-05-23 0:20 ` Rene Rebe
2004-05-23 7:13 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-23 8:44 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-05-23 9:13 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-23 9:48 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-05-23 9:58 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-23 11:49 ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2004-05-23 9:20 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-23 17:11 ` Brian Gerst
2004-05-24 2:47 ` Herbert Xu
2004-05-27 21:03 ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-23 8:29 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-05-23 11:08 ` Alan Cox
2004-05-23 11:57 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-05-23 13:15 ` Alan Cox
2004-05-24 15:17 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-05-24 17:41 ` Alan Cox
2004-05-25 9:36 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-05-25 13:48 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20040523105130.GA588@samarkand.rivenstone.net>
2004-05-23 11:59 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-05-24 9:08 ` P
2004-05-23 15:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-23 21:14 ` Alan Cox
2004-05-24 12:28 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2004-05-25 17:21 ` Kronos
2004-05-25 17:03 Albert Cahalan
2004-05-25 22:43 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-10 20:33 Nathanael Nerode
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