From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Sau Dan Lee <danlee@informatik.uni-freiburg.de>
Cc: Giuseppe Bilotta <bilotta78@hotpop.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: keyboard problem with 2.6.6
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:31:13 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040601113113.GA16312@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xb7aczqb2sv.fsf@savona.informatik.uni-freiburg.de>
Hi!
> >>>>> "Giuseppe" == Giuseppe Bilotta <bilotta78@hotpop.com> writes:
>
> Giuseppe> So, while we wait for complete support, at the kernel
> Giuseppe> level, for all the multimedia keyboards supported by X,
> Giuseppe> we *need* proper raw mode.
>
> My question is: why do everything inside the kernel?
>
>
> Even 'khttpd' has been removed from the kernel, because the same
> efficiency has been achieved in the *userland* apache module. Why is
> the input layer moving _backwards_?
>
> I don't think converting between keyboard/mouse protocols and the
> input system's "struct input_event" has a tighter real-time
> requirement than a heavily loaded web server. How many keys per
> second can you type at? (Even if you type extremely fast and the
> hardware constraints (velocity, etc.) are not reached yet, there is
> still a limit that the keyboard controller, e.g. i8042, cannot
> exceed.) How many mouse movements are you making per second? Is a
> userland driver unable to handle that data rate? (I don't think so.
> I believe enve a 386-DX 33MHz can handle it with ease.) If not, then
> please do it in userland, so as not to waste kernel memory (which is
> *NON-swappable*).
It would be nice to have keyboard in kernel because that means
keyboard works even on heavilly overloaded system, in case of oops
etc. (Unfortunately steps back were already taken; console switching
is no longer so robust w.r.t. kernel crashes :-( ).
Are you able to provide accurate timestamps for input events from
userland?
Pavel
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2004-05-30 10:57 Sau Dan Lee
2004-06-01 11:31 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2004-06-01 14:06 ` John Bradford
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2004-06-09 8:17 ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-06-09 16:56 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-09 17:12 ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-06-09 17:29 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
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2004-06-06 9:43 Sau Dan Lee
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2004-06-06 11:29 ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-06-06 12:07 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-06-06 15:09 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-06-06 16:13 ` Sau Dan Lee
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2004-06-06 16:51 ` Sau Dan Lee
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2004-05-30 11:43 ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 12:45 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-30 13:25 ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 10:45 Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 11:20 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-30 10:39 Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 11:18 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-30 11:40 ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 11:53 ` Russell King
2004-05-30 12:43 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-30 13:25 ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-06-01 21:01 ` jsimmons
2004-06-01 21:12 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-30 13:54 ` Eduard Bloch
2004-05-30 14:03 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-06-01 21:03 ` jsimmons
2004-06-04 14:11 ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-28 13:59 Tuukka Toivonen
2004-05-29 13:14 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-06-04 14:54 ` Tuukka Toivonen
2004-06-04 16:06 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-25 20:16 Chris Osicki
2004-05-26 7:54 ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-28 13:33 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-05-28 17:37 ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-29 13:12 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-30 9:45 ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 10:19 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-30 11:25 ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 11:40 ` Brad Campbell
2004-05-30 12:01 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-05-30 12:22 ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 12:32 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-05-30 12:16 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-30 12:40 ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 12:52 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-30 16:09 ` Stefan Seyfried
2004-05-30 17:26 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-06-04 13:58 ` Pavel Machek
2004-06-04 18:17 ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-04 18:37 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-04 19:33 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-06-04 19:50 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-04 20:48 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-06-04 18:39 ` Pavel Machek
2004-06-04 18:46 ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-06-04 19:09 ` Pavel Machek
2004-06-06 9:01 ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-06-06 16:40 ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-28 19:57 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-05-28 19:41 ` Andries Brouwer
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2004-05-29 13:46 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-29 14:30 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-05-29 14:41 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-29 15:12 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
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