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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Sau Dan Lee <danlee@informatik.uni-freiburg.de>
Cc: Giuseppe Bilotta <bilotta78@hotpop.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: keyboard problem with 2.6.6
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:31:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040601113113.GA16312@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xb7aczqb2sv.fsf@savona.informatik.uni-freiburg.de>

Hi!

> >>>>> "Giuseppe" == Giuseppe Bilotta <bilotta78@hotpop.com> writes:
> 
>     Giuseppe> So, while we wait for complete support, at the kernel
>     Giuseppe> level, for all the multimedia keyboards supported by X,
>     Giuseppe> we *need* proper raw mode.
> 
> My question is: why do everything inside the kernel?
> 
> 
> Even  'khttpd' has  been removed  from  the kernel,  because the  same
> efficiency has been achieved in  the *userland* apache module.  Why is
> the input layer moving _backwards_?
> 
> I  don't think  converting  between keyboard/mouse  protocols and  the
> input   system's  "struct   input_event"  has   a   tighter  real-time
> requirement  than a  heavily loaded  web  server.  How  many keys  per
> second can  you type  at?  (Even  if you type  extremely fast  and the
> hardware constraints  (velocity, etc.) are  not reached yet,  there is
> still  a  limit that  the  keyboard  controller,  e.g.  i8042,  cannot
> exceed.)  How  many mouse movements are  you making per  second?  Is a
> userland driver unable  to handle that data rate?   (I don't think so.
> I believe enve a 386-DX 33MHz  can handle it with ease.)  If not, then
> please do it  in userland, so as not to waste  kernel memory (which is
> *NON-swappable*).

It would be nice to have keyboard in kernel because that means
keyboard works even on heavilly overloaded system, in case of oops
etc. (Unfortunately steps back were already taken; console switching
is no longer so robust w.r.t. kernel crashes :-( ).

Are you able to provide accurate timestamps for input events from
userland?
								Pavel
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-01 11:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-30 10:57 Sau Dan Lee
2004-06-01 11:31 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2004-06-01 14:06   ` John Bradford
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     [not found]   ` <xb7zn7fwdia.fsf@savona.informatik.uni-freiburg.de>
     [not found]     ` <200406071636.i57Gafh7024942@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
     [not found]       ` <xb7r7sqwncc.fsf@savona.informatik.uni-freiburg.de>
     [not found]         ` <200406081502.i58F2gF3013622@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
2004-06-09  8:17           ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-06-09 16:56             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-09 17:12               ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-06-09 17:29                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
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2004-06-06  9:43 Sau Dan Lee
2004-06-06  9:37 Sau Dan Lee
2004-06-06 11:29 ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-06-06 12:07 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-06-06 15:09 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-06-06 16:13   ` Sau Dan Lee
     [not found]   ` <200406061929.45169.vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>
     [not found]     ` <200406061140.35929.dtor_core@ameritech.net>
2004-06-06 16:51       ` Sau Dan Lee
     [not found] <xb7ekp2b34y.fsf@savona.informatik.uni-freiburg.de>
     [not found] ` <20040530112138.GC1377@ucw.cz>
2004-05-30 11:43   ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 12:45     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-30 13:25       ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 10:45 Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 11:20 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-30 10:39 Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 11:18 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-30 11:40   ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 11:53     ` Russell King
2004-05-30 12:43     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-30 13:25       ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-06-01 21:01         ` jsimmons
2004-06-01 21:12           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-30 13:54       ` Eduard Bloch
2004-05-30 14:03         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-06-01 21:03           ` jsimmons
2004-06-04 14:11     ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-28 13:59 Tuukka Toivonen
2004-05-29 13:14 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-06-04 14:54   ` Tuukka Toivonen
2004-06-04 16:06     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-25 20:16 Chris Osicki
2004-05-26  7:54 ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-28 13:33   ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-05-28 17:37   ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-29 13:12     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-30  9:45       ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 10:19         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-30 11:25           ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 11:40             ` Brad Campbell
2004-05-30 12:01             ` Oliver Neukum
2004-05-30 12:22               ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 12:32                 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-05-30 12:16             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-30 12:40               ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-05-30 12:52                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-30 16:09                 ` Stefan Seyfried
2004-05-30 17:26                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-06-04 13:58             ` Pavel Machek
2004-06-04 18:17               ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-04 18:37                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-04 19:33                   ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-06-04 19:50                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-04 20:48                       ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-06-04 18:39                 ` Pavel Machek
2004-06-04 18:46                   ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-06-04 19:09                     ` Pavel Machek
2004-06-06  9:01                       ` Sau Dan Lee
2004-06-06 16:40                         ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-28 19:57   ` Andries Brouwer
2004-05-28 19:41 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-05-28 20:10   ` Andries Brouwer
     [not found]   ` <20040528214620.GA2352@gucio>
2004-05-29 13:23     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-05-29 13:46       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-29 14:30         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-05-29 14:41           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-05-29 15:12         ` Giuseppe Bilotta
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