From: viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: "Robert T. Johnson" <rtjohnso@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
Al Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>,
Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Finding user/kernel pointer bugs [no html]
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:57:05 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040610165705.GG12308@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0406100735530.2050@ppc970.osdl.org>
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 07:46:40AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> The only way to fix the second case is to split the structure up - which
> is usually a good idea _anyway_, but which can sometimes be pretty
> painful. Al has done some of them. The really painful one is "struct
> iovec", which seems to be used in this capacity a fair amount.
iovec is, I'm afraid, hopeless. E.g. TCP code does tons of work before
it even looks at the data; doing two versions (for kernel and userland
pointers) is too ridiculous for words. So kernel users (== RPC of all
sorts) either do it from kernel threads or use set_fs() around sock_sendmsg().
That would be a convenient chokepoint, if we would e.g. always pass a
single-element arrays - we could add kernel_sendmsg() that would take
a _kernel_ pointer + length + flags, force them into iovec, call set_fs()
and pass that stuff to sock_sendmsg() (and similar for recepients).
Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way - there are places that pass
multi-element arrays. And there are guys who don't need set_fs() since
they are in kernel threads.
It might be possible to clean up, but I would stay away from that mess for
a while. Non-networking code is simple - it's almost always either only
kernel or only userland. XFS is a major offender in that respect, but
that's the matter of SGI politics and not much more, AFAICS.
Note that we get very real fuckups with that - e.g. econet-over-ethernet
slaps a kernel chunk of data in front of userland ones, does verify_area()
on the latter, calls set_fs() and sends the mixed vector to UDP code.
It breaks big way on a bunch of platforms, obviously...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-06-10 16:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-06-10 3:31 Robert T. Johnson
2004-06-10 4:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-06-10 4:48 ` Robert T. Johnson
2004-06-10 14:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-06-10 16:57 ` viro [this message]
2004-06-10 15:07 ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-10 15:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-06-10 15:26 ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-10 4:49 ` viro
2004-06-10 5:20 ` Robert T. Johnson
2004-06-10 16:58 ` Greg KH
2004-06-10 17:27 ` David Brownell
2004-06-10 17:35 ` Greg KH
2004-06-10 17:54 ` Thomas Sailer
2004-06-10 18:34 ` Greg KH
2004-06-10 18:45 ` viro
2004-06-10 18:54 ` Greg KH
2004-06-10 19:10 ` Greg KH
2004-06-10 19:14 ` viro
2004-06-10 19:32 ` Greg KH
2004-06-10 19:38 ` viro
2004-06-10 20:28 ` Sam Ravnborg
2004-06-10 20:48 ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-06-11 17:21 ` Jean Delvare
2004-06-11 17:59 ` Greg KH
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