From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>
Cc: Amit Gud <gud@eth.net>, alan <alan@clueserver.org>,
"Fao, Sean" <Sean.Fao@dynextechnologies.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Elastic Quota File System (EQFS)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:44:18 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040625214418.GB5907@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200406251707.i5PH7KOw009004@eeyore.valparaiso.cl>
Hi!
> > > Case closed, anyway. It belongs in the kernel only if there is no
> > > reasonable way to do it in userspace.
> >
> > But... there's no reasonable way to do this in userspace.
>
> Let's see...
>
> > Two pieces of kernel support are needed:
> >
> > 1) some way to indicate "this file is elastic" (okay perhaps xattrs
> > can do this already)
>
> Or just a list of elastic files in ~/.elastic. Even better, could mark them
> as "Just delete", "compress"; could go as far as giving (fallback?) globs
> to select files for each treatment ("If space gets tight, delete *~ files,
> and compress *.tex that haven't been read in a week"). Sounds like a fun
> Perl project...
.elastic is ugly but okay.
> > and either
> >
> > 2a) file selection/deletion in kernel
>
> A daemon or cron job running as root can do that just fine. Or you can set
> it up for your own files.
If I make it cron job once an hour, users will still get -ENOSPC for
up-to hour. You can make it down to second, but you'll still get
-ENOSPC from time to time. If you want to eliminate -ENOSPC
altogether, you'll delete file from kernel just before returning
-ENOSPC and retry operation.
> > 2b) assume that disk does not fill up faster than 1GB/sec, allways
> > keep 1GB free, make "deleting" daemon poll each second [ugly,
> > unreliable]
>
> Buy a larger disk. Make sure sum of all hard quotas is less than filesystem
> size. Need that anyway; so it reduces to a one-user problem with per-user
> solutions.
Well, having sum of all hard quotas > filesystem size was point of
this excersize...
> > BTW 2c) would be also usefull for undelete. Unfortunately 2c looks
> > very complex, too; it might be easier to do 2a than 2c.
>
> As said, all this buys very little for a lot of hairy code in the kernel,
> which will be rarely used (and whose bugs will show up when it is badly
> needed to work right). Besides, I strongly oppose automatic file
It may be little gain for lots of effort. I'm just trying to say that
it is not complete nonsense.
I guess we are basically agreeing with each other... It may make nice
student project, and if patch is very non-intrusive, I guess its
okay. If it turns to be hairy, its not worth bothering.
> that, so you have no right to know", no "undelete deleted files, but only
> sometimes; it just might still be around, but if space got tight it isn't"
> (this is even worse...))
Well, few times I wished unix had undelete... It actually *has* one,
and its called power button if you are realize your mistake within 5
seconds.
Pavel
--
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-06-25 21:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-06-25 14:02 Amit Gud
2004-06-25 14:23 ` Fao, Sean
2004-06-25 14:44 ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-25 16:25 ` Pavel Machek
2004-06-25 16:44 ` Alan
2004-06-25 17:35 ` Amit Gud
2004-06-25 20:22 ` Fao, Sean
2004-06-25 23:50 ` Kevin Fox
2004-06-26 4:03 ` Amit Gud
2004-06-26 21:36 ` Fao, Sean
2004-06-26 23:16 ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-06-27 1:44 ` Fao, Sean
2004-06-28 13:43 ` Rob Couto
2004-06-25 21:36 ` Pavel Machek
2004-06-25 17:07 ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-25 18:44 ` Amit Gud
2004-06-25 21:44 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-06-23 15:53 Amit Gud
2004-06-23 17:53 ` Mark Watts
[not found] ` <1088016048.15211.10.camel@sage.kitchen>
2004-06-24 9:28 ` Amit Gud
2004-06-24 11:50 ` Olaf Dabrunz
2004-06-24 14:04 ` Sam Elstob
2004-06-24 13:51 ` Olaf Dabrunz
2004-06-24 14:17 ` Pavel Machek
2004-06-24 19:58 ` Fao, Sean
2004-06-24 20:28 ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-24 20:30 ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-24 21:30 ` Pavel Machek
2004-06-24 20:51 ` alan
2004-06-24 22:03 ` Pavel Machek
2004-06-24 23:07 ` alan
2004-06-25 0:15 ` Pavel Machek
2004-06-25 11:57 ` Fao, Sean
2004-06-25 12:07 ` Josh Boyer
2004-06-25 19:34 ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-25 17:37 ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-25 18:44 ` Amit Gud
2004-06-26 12:00 ` Helge Hafting
2004-06-25 19:09 ` Amit Gud
2004-06-30 13:02 ` Olaf Dabrunz
2004-06-25 7:52 ` Lionel Bouton
2004-06-27 18:18 ` V13
2004-06-27 19:42 ` Lionel Bouton
2004-06-28 15:34 ` Amit Gud
2004-06-25 3:04 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-06-23 20:37 ` Rik van Riel
2004-06-23 15:48 gud
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