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From: "R. J. Wysocki" <rjwysocki@sisk.pl>
To: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>, Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Collapse ext2 and 3 please
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:52:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200406252252.47266.rjwysocki@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <40DC71E8.3020403@techsource.com>

On Friday 25 of June 2004 20:41, Timothy Miller wrote:
> Sean Neakums wrote:
> > Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com> writes:
> >>Sean Neakums wrote:
> >>>I seem to remember somebody, I think maybe Andrew Morton, suggesting
> >>>that a no-journal mode be added to ext3 so that ext2 could be removed.
> >>>I can't find the message in question right now, though.
> >>
> >>As an option, that might be nice, but if everyone were to start using
> >>ext3 even for their non-journalled file systems, the ext2 code would
> >>be subject to code rot.
> >
> > My paraphrase is at fault here.  In the above, "removed" == "removed
> > from the kernel tree".
>
> I understood that.
>
> Let me be more clear.  I agree with other people's comments to the
> effect that ext2 and ext3 have different goals and therefore different
> and potentially incompatible optimizations.  If ext3 had a mode that
> made it equivalent to ext2, which encouraged people to only compile in
> ext3 even for ext2 partitions (to save on kernel memory), then future
> ext2 code bases would get less use and therefore less testing and
> therefore more code rot.
>
> It is reasonable to allow the redundancy between ext2 and ext3 in order
> to allow them to diverge.  This kind of future-proofing mentality
> underlies the reasons why kernel developers don't want to completely
> stablize the module ABI, for example.
>

Let me add my 2c, please.

I think that the most of users will use ext3 or reiserfs anyway, unless they 
actually _prefer_ ext2 for some reasons (let's face it: the most of users 
just follow the distribution defaults and the most of distributors set either 
ext3 or reiserfs as a default).  This, however, confines the use of ext2 to a 
(relatively) small group of users having special needs and means that the 
future ext2 code will get less testing in any case, just like old device 
drivers do (eg. old CD-ROM drivers ;-)).

I'm not for collapsing the ext2 and ext3 code bases, but IMHO your argument 
does not apply.

I think that the good reason for keeping both ext* code bases in the kernel 
tree is that _there_ _are_ _some_ people who will need ext2 for some 
purposes, so why should we pull the carpet from under them?

Yours,
rjw

----------------------------
For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public 
relations, for nature cannot be fooled.
					-- Richard P. Feynman

  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-25 20:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-24 23:14 John Richard Moser
2004-06-25  9:16 ` Helge Hafting
2004-06-25 11:30   ` David van Hoose
2004-06-25 11:41     ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-06-25 11:50       ` David van Hoose
2004-06-25 12:01         ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]         ` <1088165028.16286.59.camel@imp.csi.cam.ac.uk>
2004-06-25 12:05           ` David van Hoose
2004-06-25 12:13             ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]             ` <1088165426.16286.67.camel@imp.csi.cam.ac.uk>
2004-06-25 12:18               ` David van Hoose
2004-06-25 13:03                 ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-06-25 12:40                   ` David van Hoose
2004-06-25 14:03                 ` Rik van Riel
2004-06-25 12:10         ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-06-25 12:15           ` David van Hoose
2004-06-25 12:26         ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-06-25 12:48         ` Philip R. Auld
2004-06-25 12:53           ` David van Hoose
2004-06-25 13:39             ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-06-25 18:55               ` David van Hoose
2004-06-25 22:26   ` John Richard Moser
2004-06-25 12:25 ` Sean Neakums
2004-06-25 18:01   ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-25 18:04     ` Sean Neakums
2004-06-25 18:41       ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-25 20:52         ` R. J. Wysocki [this message]
2004-06-25 20:50           ` Sean Neakums
2004-06-25 21:36             ` R. J. Wysocki
2004-06-25 22:00   ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-25 23:48     ` John Richard Moser
     [not found] <2aZfF-3es-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <2b45V-6tl-39@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-06-25 22:28   ` Pascal Schmidt

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