From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
Cc: nigelenki@comcast.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Autoregulate swappiness & inactivation
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 01:08:42 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040708010842.2064a706.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cone.1089273505.418287.4554.502@pc.kolivas.org>
Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org> wrote:
>
> Andrew Morton writes:
>
> > Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ah what the heck. They can only be knocked back to where they already are.
> >
> > hm. You get an eGrump for sending two patchs in one email. Surprisingly
> > nice numbers though.
> >
> > How come vm_swappiness gets squared? That's the mysterious "bias
> > downwards", yes? What's the theory there?
>
> No real world feedback mechanism is linear. As the pressure grows the
> positive/negative feedback grows exponentially.
That takes me back. The classic control system is PID:
Proportional/Integral/Derivative - they refer to the way in which the error
term (output-desired output) is fed back to the input:
Proportional: the bigger the error, the more input drive
Integral: feeding back a bit of the integral of the error prevents
permanent output skew due to non-infinite forward gain.
Derivative: feeding back -(rate of change) provides damping.
You can live without I and D - the main thing is to feed back the -error.
IOW: linear works just fine :)
Your answer didn't help me understand the design though.
> > Please define this new term "application pages"?
>
> errm it's fuzzy to say the least. It's the closest I can come to
> representing what end users understand as "non-cached" pages.
Isn't that mapped pages?
> > Those si_swapinfo() and si_meminfo() calls need to come out of there.
>
> I'm game. I had the idea but not the skill. Anyone wanna help me with that?
Need to work out what cen be removed first. The freeswap/totalswap can go.
That leaves us needing what? totalram and freeram. If the algorithm can
be flipped over to use nr_mapped, we'd be looking good.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-07-08 8:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-07-07 15:16 2.6.7-ck5 Con Kolivas
2004-07-07 15:39 ` 2.6.7-ck5 John Richard Moser
2004-07-07 15:47 ` 2.6.7-ck5 Con Kolivas
2004-07-07 15:53 ` 2.6.7-ck5 Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-07-07 16:11 ` 2.6.7-ck5 P
2004-07-07 17:10 ` 2.6.7-ck5 Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-07-07 16:17 ` 2.6.7-ck5 Redeeman
2004-07-08 4:38 ` 2.6.7-ck5 Andrew Morton
2004-07-08 6:40 ` [PATCH] Autoregulate swappiness & inactivation Con Kolivas
2004-07-08 6:45 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-08 7:06 ` [PATCH] " Nick Piggin
2004-07-08 7:12 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-08 7:31 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-08 8:03 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-08 8:12 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-08 17:06 ` John Richard Moser
2004-07-08 17:14 ` [ck] " Mikhail Ramendik
2004-07-08 17:10 ` [ck] Re: [PATCH] " Mikhail Ramendik
2004-07-09 1:03 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-08 7:10 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-08 7:58 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-08 8:08 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2004-07-08 8:27 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-08 10:54 ` FabF
2004-07-09 1:05 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-09 9:48 ` FabF
2004-07-09 10:43 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-09 11:14 ` FabF
2004-07-09 11:24 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-10 9:44 ` FabF
[not found] ` <40EFC076.9050504@yahoo.com.au>
2004-07-10 10:57 ` rss recovery FabF
2004-07-10 12:03 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-13 13:12 ` FabF
2004-07-08 16:26 ` Autoregulate swappiness & inactivation Timothy Miller
2004-07-08 17:12 ` John Richard Moser
2004-07-08 18:37 ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-08 21:40 ` John Richard Moser
2004-07-09 7:44 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2004-07-08 16:24 ` [PATCH] Autotune swappiness Con Kolivas
2004-07-08 16:44 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-09 0:39 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-09 1:19 ` [ck] " Kerin Millar
2004-07-09 14:23 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-07-09 14:26 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-08 15:57 ` [ck] Re: 2.6.7-ck5 GSehp
2004-07-07 16:45 ` 2.6.7-ck5 John Richard Moser
2004-07-07 17:10 ` 2.6.7-ck5 Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-07-07 22:26 ` 2.6.7-ck5 Wes Janzen
2004-07-07 22:53 ` 2.6.7-ck5 Con Kolivas
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