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From: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>
To: Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Chris Wedgwood <cw@f00f.org>,
	Jan Knutar <jk-lkml@sci.fi>, L A Walsh <lkml@tlinx.org>
Subject: Re: XFS: how to NOT null files on fsck?
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:24:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040713222411.GA1035@hh.idb.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2004Jul13.092529@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>

On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 07:25:29AM +0000, Anton Ertl wrote:
> Chris Wedgwood <cw@f00f.org> writes:
> >XFS does *not* zero files, it simply returns zeros for unwritten
> >extents.  If you open an existing file and scribble all over it, you
> >might see the old data during a crash, or the new data if it was
> >flushed.  You shouldn't see zero's though.
> >
> >What does happen though, is that dotfiles are truncated and rewritten,
> >if the data blocks aren't flushed you will get zeros back because the
> >extents were unwritten.  This is really the only sensible thing to do
> >given the circumstances.
> >
> >My guess is that with other fs' (when journaling metadata only) the
> >blocks allocated for the newly written data are *usually* the same as
> >the recently freed blocks from the truncate so things appear to work
> >but in reality it's probably mostly luck.
> 
> A secure FS must ensure that other people's deleted data does not end
> up in the file.  AFAIK FSs don't record owners for free blocks, so
> they can only ensure this by zeroing the blocks.  So I doubt that you
> will see any different behaviour from an FS that keeps only meta-data
> consistent and writes meta-data before data.
> 

There is another solution - zero blocks when freeing them. (Or
put them on a list for later zeroing when the fs isn't busy,
in order to kee��p good performance)

With this approach you don't need to zero a half-written
block after a crash, which means you destroy less data.

Helge Hafting 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-07-13 22:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-05  5:47 Norberto Bensa
2004-07-09 16:37 ` L A Walsh
2004-07-09 21:59   ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-10 18:33     ` L A Walsh
2004-07-10 18:43       ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-10 21:24         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-11 21:54           ` Helge Hafting
2004-07-12 17:56             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-07-12 19:59               ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-12 20:32                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-07-12 22:29                 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-12 23:03       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-12 23:14         ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-10 18:43     ` Jan Knutar
2004-07-10 18:46       ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-10 18:55         ` Norberto Bensa
2004-07-10 19:19           ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-12 21:20             ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-12 22:40               ` L A Walsh
2004-07-12 22:53                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-13  1:44                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-13  5:24                     ` Chris Wedgwood
     [not found]             ` <2hgxc-5x9-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-07-13  7:25               ` Anton Ertl
2004-07-13  8:09                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-13  9:34                   ` Anton Ertl
2004-07-13  9:53                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-13 10:27                       ` Tim Connors
2004-07-13 10:38                         ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-13 10:58                           ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-13 11:16                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-13 12:52                             ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-13 13:33                       ` Anton Ertl
2004-07-13 20:32                         ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-13 22:42                           ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-14 18:49                           ` Anton Ertl
2004-07-14 19:00                             ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-13 22:24                 ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2004-07-13 22:39                   ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-13 23:23                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-14 18:53                   ` Anton Ertl
2004-07-10 19:33           ` Andreas Schwab
2004-07-10 19:40             ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-10 19:46             ` Norberto Bensa
2004-07-10 20:03               ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-11  1:21           ` Gopikrishnan Sidhardhan
2004-07-29  1:30   ` Nathan Scott
2004-08-03 18:31     ` L A Walsh
2004-08-04  0:48       ` Andi Kleen
2004-08-04  6:37         ` L A Walsh
2004-08-05  8:16       ` Helge Hafting
2004-08-06  1:10         ` Nathan Scott
2004-08-06  1:34           ` Andrew Morton

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