From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S263147AbUG1UVV (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:21:21 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263204AbUG1UVV (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:21:21 -0400 Received: from smtp.Lynuxworks.com ([207.21.185.24]:65297 "EHLO smtp.lynuxworks.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S263147AbUG1UVT (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:21:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:21:07 -0700 To: Lee Revell Cc: karim@opersys.com, Scott Wood , Ingo Molnar , "La Monte H.P. Yarroll" , Manas Saksena , Philippe Gerum , linux-kernel Subject: Re: [patch] IRQ threads Message-ID: <20040728202107.GA6952@nietzsche.lynx.com> References: <20040727225040.GA4370@yoda.timesys> <4107CA18.4060204@opersys.com> <1091039327.747.26.camel@mindpipe> <4107FA93.3030801@opersys.com> <1091043218.766.10.camel@mindpipe> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1091043218.766.10.camel@mindpipe> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040722i From: Bill Huey (hui) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 03:33:38PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > I am familiar with Adeos, as well as other hard-RT solutions for Linux. > I did my homework before deciding that I do not in fact need hard-RT, so > I really am not interested in your flamewars, keep them on your RT > mailing lists. > > The part that was obvious commercially motivated FUD (and which you > omitted) t in which you badmouth TimeSys and its services, then Your > .sig states that you are a consultant specializing in realtime and > embedded Linux. With that said, there's really two camps that are emerging in the real time Linux field, dual and single kernel. The single kernel work that's current being done could very well get Linux to being hard RT, assuming that you solve all of the technical problems with things like RCU, etc... in 2.6. The dual kernels folks would be in less of position to VAR their own stuff and sell proprietary products if Linux were to get native hard RT performance if you accept that economic criteria. Who knows what the actual results will be. It could be that all of this work with Linux could bury prioprietary OS product (such as LynxOS here) or it could open doors to other things unknown things that were never possible previous to Linux getting some kind of hard RT capability. It's certainly a scary notion to think about with many variables to consider. Linux getting hard RT is inevitable. It's just a question of how it'll be handled by proprietary OS vendors, witness IBM for a positive example. A negative one would be Sun. Now that Windriver System (the idiot folks that never understood Linux before laying off tons of folks and disbanned the rather famous BSD/OS group which I was apart of, etc...) and Red Hat is in the picture, it's all starting to cook up. All things to think about. bill