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From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@mellanox.co.il>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	discuss@x86-64.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [discuss] f_ops flag to speed up compatible ioctls in linux kernel
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:15:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040907141524.GA13862@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040907134517.GA1016@mellanox.co.il>

On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 04:45:18PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > I built a silly driver example which just used a semaphore and a switch
> > > statement inside the ioctl.
> > > 
> > > ~/<1>tavor/tools/driver_new>time /tmp/ioctltest64 /dev/mst/mt23108_pci_cr0
> > > 0.357u 4.760s 0:05.11 100.0%    0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w
> > > ~/<1>tavor/tools/driver_new>time /tmp/ioctltest32 /dev/mst/mt23108_pci_cr0
> > > 0.641u 6.486s 0:07.12 100.0%    0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w
> > > 
> > > So just looking at system time there seems to be an overhead of
> > > about 20%.
> > 
> > That's with an empty ioctl?
> 
> Not exactly empty - below's the code snippet.

Hmm, ok. Surprising then. Can you profile it to see where 
the bottleneck exactly is? 

> > I would expect most ioctls to do
> > more work, so the overhead would be less.
> > Still it could be probably made better. 
> 
> Then I expect you'll get bitten by the BKL taken while ioctl runs.

Yes, but that's a general problem, not specific to compat ioctls.

So far nobody dared to drop the BKL for ioctls because it would
require to audit/fix a *lot* of code.

The idea of taking the BKL during the hash lookup was that
when the BKL is taken anyways it doesn't make too much 
difference to take it a little bit longer. But this assumed
that the hash lookup is fast. If it isn't maybe the hash
function should just be optimized a bit or the table increased.

Most of the values are known at compile time, so maybe
some perfect hash generator like gperf could be used to
generate a better hash? 


> >
> > In theory the BKL could be dropped from the lookup anyways
> > if RCU is needed for the cleanup. For locking the handler 
> > itself into memory it doesn't make any difference.
> > 
> > What happens when you just remove the lock_kernel() there? 
> > (as long as you don't unload any modules this should be safe) 
> > 
> > -Andi
> 
> Well, I personally do want to enable module unloading.

It works fine as long as the compat function is in the same
module as the one providing the file_ops.

> I think I'll add a new entry point to f_ops  and see what *this* does
> to speed. That would be roughly equivalent, and cleaner, right?

It may help your module, but won't solve the general problem shorter
term.

-Andi


  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-07 14:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-01  7:22 Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-01  7:32 ` viro
2004-09-01  7:44   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-01  7:47   ` Lee Revell
2004-09-01  8:19     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-01 15:55   ` Roland Dreier
2004-09-01 18:02     ` Chris Wright
2004-09-01 18:12       ` Roland Dreier
2004-09-01 18:31         ` viro
2004-09-01 20:54       ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]         ` <20040901170800.K1924@build.pdx.osdl.net>
     [not found]           ` <20040901190122.L1924@build.pdx.osdl.net>
2004-09-02  3:46             ` Roland Dreier
2004-09-01 18:06   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-09-01  8:30 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-09-01 15:40 ` [PATCH] fs/compat.c: rwsem instead of BKL around ioctl32_hash_table Roland Dreier
2004-09-01 23:27   ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-02 21:14   ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-02 22:26     ` Roland Dreier
2004-09-03 14:37       ` [discuss] " Andi Kleen
2004-09-03 14:55         ` Roland Dreier
2004-09-03 15:02           ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-03  8:00 ` [discuss] f_ops flag to speed up compatible ioctls in linux kernel Andi Kleen
2004-09-07 10:40   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-07 12:14     ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-07 13:45       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-07 14:15         ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2004-09-07 14:25           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-07 14:29             ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-07 14:37               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-07 14:44                 ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-07 14:45                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-07 15:10                     ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-07 18:16                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-08  6:55                         ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-08 14:28                           ` [patch] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-08 14:38                             ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-08 14:54                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-08 14:58                                 ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-12 20:05                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-15 13:19                               ` [patch] Re: [discuss] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-07 21:36                       ` Is FIOQSIZE compatible? ( was Re: f_ops flag to speed up compatible ioctls in linux kernel) Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-08  6:54                         ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-07 15:03               ` [discuss] f_ops flag to speed up compatible ioctls in linux kernel Herbert Poetzl
2004-09-07 18:07                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-09 13:54                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2004-12-12 21:51       ` how to detect a 32 bit process on 64 bit kernel Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-12-12 22:01         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-12 22:23         ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-12-13 19:50           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-12-13 21:01             ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-13 21:32             ` Brian Gerst
2004-12-13 21:37               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-12-12 22:37         ` Willy Tarreau
2004-12-12 23:30           ` Bongani Hlope
2004-12-14  7:28         ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-20 14:49   ` [patch] speed up ioctls in linux kernel Michael S. Tsirkin

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