From: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>
To: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
Cc: Paul Jakma <paul@clubi.ie>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Robin Rosenberg <robin.rosenberg.lists@dewire.com>,
William Stearns <wstearns@pobox.com>,
Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: silent semantic changes in reiser4 (brief attempt to document the idea ofwhat reiser4 wants to do with metafiles and why
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:08:38 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200409101308.i8AD8cDF003406@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Message from Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com> of "Thu, 09 Sep 2004 22:04:38 MST." <414135E6.8050103@namesys.com>
Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com> said:
> Paul Jakma wrote:
> > On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Hans Reiser wrote:
> >> It is not part of it at one level, but in the shell it is part of it.
> > Just one of many applications. Watch Joe-user save their word
> > processing file sometime, they'll use spaces, quotes, etc.
> With great unhappiness they will.
Given the right GUI, they won't even notice.
> >> Have you looked at the political process at all? Or by lots of
> >> people, do you mean a sizable minority?
> > Kernel development does
> did you mean to have a "not" here?
> > require deep understanding by the majority of computer users. Only
> > kernel developers need deep understanding. ;)
> What makes you think kernel developers have a deep understanding of the
> value of connectivity in the OS?
Enlighten us. Never heard of "conectivity in the OS" before.
> They don't. The average kernel
> developer is not particularly bright.
Right.
> Just ask Ted why htrees are slower
> than reiser4, or ext2 tail combining is slower, and, well, he has no
> clue.
Great PR move, again: Go on publicly insulting the people who you are
trying to convince.
> He is happy to explain how architects don't do real work and
> should not attend the Linux Kernel Summit, and then when reiser4 blows
> htrees away he undoubtedly still thinks I just take the credit away from
> the programmers who do the real work. They did real work, and they are
> the best in the field, but architecture also matters --- quite a lot
> actually.
Right you are about architecture.
[...]
> This is why I just want to be left alone to tinker with reiser4. It is
> faster than other filesystems. People should assume I know what I am
> doing, and leave me to tinker in my little fs. 5 years later others will
> follow, or not, I don't care.
Great idea.
> > The real question though is: Have you given Al Viro technical answers
> > to his technical questions?
> Yes, I did.
Haven't seen them.
> Got no response. Would you like me to post something nice
> and technical to this thread?;-)
That is what this list is supposed to be about: Technical discussion of the
Linux kernel development.
> I can send a summary of my design, and
> the answers I sent to Viro and Linus.
Please do. Together with the questions, so we can see the whole picture.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-09-10 13:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-08-29 20:21 silent semantic changes in reiser4 (brief attempt to document the idea of what " Hans Reiser
2004-08-31 13:12 ` Pavel Machek
2004-08-31 13:36 ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-09-07 20:16 ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-07 20:59 ` Pavel Machek
2004-09-08 9:14 ` Romano Giannetti
2004-09-07 21:05 ` William Stearns
2004-09-07 22:09 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-09-09 9:03 ` silent semantic changes in reiser4 (brief attempt to document the idea ofwhat " Theodore Ts'o
2004-09-09 17:23 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-09 18:09 ` Gunnar Ritter
2004-09-09 19:15 ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-09 20:45 ` Paul Jakma
2004-09-10 0:57 ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10 1:15 ` Paul Jakma
2004-09-10 5:04 ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10 5:53 ` viro
2004-09-10 6:52 ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10 7:05 ` viro
2004-09-10 7:30 ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10 16:49 ` Lee Revell
2004-09-10 17:23 ` viro
2004-09-10 7:21 ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10 7:33 ` viro
2004-09-10 7:46 ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10 8:18 ` viro
2004-09-10 9:20 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-10 17:48 ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10 17:07 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-10 13:08 ` Horst von Brand [this message]
2004-09-10 3:22 ` Horst von Brand
2004-09-12 20:43 ` Davide Inglima
2004-09-10 9:42 ` Helge Hafting
2004-09-10 17:42 ` Horst von Brand
[not found] ` <20040910201738.GB8698@eskimo.com>
2004-09-14 8:39 ` Helge Hafting
2004-08-31 14:09 ` silent semantic changes in reiser4 (brief attempt to document the idea of what " Mike Waychison
2004-08-31 17:55 ` V13
2004-08-31 18:17 ` Spam
2004-08-31 19:08 ` Tonnerre
2004-08-31 19:38 ` Spam
2004-09-01 3:11 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-08-31 19:35 ` V13
[not found] ` <874qmjm51g.fsf@uhoreg.ca>
2004-08-31 20:31 ` Spam
[not found] ` <87vfezkm06.fsf@uhoreg.ca>
2004-08-31 22:15 ` Spam
2004-08-31 19:49 ` Chris Dawes
2004-09-01 6:03 ` Hans Reiser
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